so disheartening...or, my personal b-itch thread Topic

He doesn't post much anymore. I think there were people harassing him at some point and he kind of withdrew. He was in a theme league of 700+ IP pitchers from the 1800s a few months ago. I invited him to join the Platoon league season two, thought he would be great for it, but he said he couldn't do it right now. 
8/10/2012 10:10 AM
Posted by biglenr on 8/9/2012 4:28:00 PM (view original):
No offense, but why?

(1) - You will need to buy more IP to pitch in Coors.  If you need 1300 IP for a pitching park, you'll need another 100-150 IP at Coors.  That will cost you another $4m for those IP, reducing your salary for hitters.

(2) - You'll be facing a bunch of deadball pitchers.  These pitchers TRULY suppress HR's much better than you would think.  So you're essentially taking your team strength, and throwing it away.

Assuming that you draft the best team possible, you're giving up 5% of your team to buy extra IP, and you're arming yourself with weapons that will be ineffective.

Essentially, you're bringing a knife to a gun fight.  And a small knife at that.

WIS is what it is.  It gives the pitchers more ability to stop HR's than it gives hitters the ability to hit HR's.  The fatigue model argues for pitching parks.  Trying to swim up stream and force the sim to do what you want it to do seems to be a recipe for frustration and a waste of time and money to me. 

Of course, it's your time and your money, so you can use it however you want.  You didn't ask for advice, but I'd tell you anyway to try to find a HR friendly league... Even something like no players before 1930 would work..

Good luck.



While I think you are right about being in Coors with all park factors being ++, a HR hitting team is not impossible to win with by any means. Some of my most successful teams were heavy HR hitting teams and Deadball pitchers who wouldnt give up the HRs. Sure you face a good amount of dead ball pitchers your self, however you also face a lot of modern guys in OL's too. In a 90 Mil Open league (theme was 90 mil aything goes) I won 114 games and the owners and player selections where alot better than a standard OL and there was a lot of deadball pitchers. I have had heavy HR teams in the 80 M cap too do well with over 90+ wins, however the low caps are harder to balance. That team hit 250-300 hr in AFC and gave up 50-100. 

It is not impossible, especially in the regular season. The post season however is much more challenging I've found with the HR teams for reasons listed in other posts, such as singles teams beating your deadballer and running into a few good pitchers who dont give up HR. You often go with deal pitching for your supreme hitting and its hard to win in the playoffs that way and you cant have it both ways at that cap. 

I would suggest that if this is the type of team you want to field, you should try to find a 100 mil league as I have found it to be the best success at getting a staff that is reasonable with your high HR guys.
8/10/2012 3:22 PM
I didn't say it couldn't be done.  I'm saying it's making things a LOT harder on your team, and there's no benefit to doing it. 

Kind of like running up a down escalator.  You can do it, but it's a lot more effort than it's worth.
8/10/2012 3:30 PM

You're points are well taken, and I can't argue with them (except I get by with under 1300 IPs just fine).  I like playing in Coors, and I like the challenge of assembling a team that can win a WS. My Coors teams make the playoffs about 75% of the time, but lose in the playoffs when we run into parks like Petco and ptchers like Joss.
 

8/10/2012 5:27 PM
Well Teaparty you beat me for that first ring
& me miss Grizzly_One me use to play & talk with him a lot
no see him any more some people just like to jump on
other here me had this happen in the past they need to learn
it is just a game some just come to have a little fun & get away from stuff
8/14/2012 2:05 PM
Good series, amycox.  Hopefully we'll run across each other in a league soon.

If you ever find out where Troy went, let me know.
8/14/2012 2:52 PM
him gone no reply to any message for close to 3 month
Me have 2 teams playing about half way in open league
when they are done Me thinking about leaving will see
just kinda not so fun of late
Maybe if & when they do some updates

8/14/2012 5:17 PM (edited)
alright - my turn to b*tch - 

single season progressive team went 114-48 during the regular season - I had a lineup to kill for 

1964:

Wayne Causey
Frank Robinson
Mickey Mantle
Hank Aaron
Dick Allen
Joe Torre
Jim Ray Hart
Pete Rose


and a rotation almost as good

Dean Chance
Tony Cloninger
Jim Bouton
Chris Short

My bullpen was great (or should have been):

Al Worthington
Ed Roebuck
Jim Duffalo
Bob Humphreys
Hal Reniff


In the playoffs I made threw a 3 man rotation with Chance, Cloninger and then Bouton/Short on a 3A/3B.  

I got swept in 4 games:

4-7 
3-5
3-4
4-7 

granted the other team was also very good - he had Mays, Colovito and Howard anchoring his offense with Koufax, Horlen, and Ford in his rotation - 

but still....ugh its so frustrating when I have a team that wins 110+ and I lose in the first round of the playoffs every time.  

in the SDB:

My Washington Pilots dominated for two seasons winning 112 and 114 in back to back seasons and lost to the WC (83 and 88 wins) both years.  


I know in OL's, often teams build for the playoffs and don't always have the record to really show their true skill, but in progressives, the better teams typically have the better records...TYPICALLY...

anyhow...anyone else always lose in playoffs with great progressive teams?


8/21/2012 1:55 PM
I just had a team finish 108-54 in the 1930 iteration of the OSP (16 teams) and miss the playoffs...

In the same league, I had 111 win team in 1927 bow out in the LCS and lost the WS with a 124 win team in 1926.
8/21/2012 2:19 PM
I think I'd rather miss the playoffs altogether, then lose with a great team
8/21/2012 2:39 PM

I think I win about the right amount of playoff/WS with my progressive teams. 

As you know, what wins short serites isn't always the same as what gets you to the playoffs.  My worst pitchers generally go on rest in the playoffs, I've rested my shorter PA guys enough that they can play pretty much every inning in the playoffs, etc. 

8/21/2012 3:38 PM
A team in a prog I'm played in has had Griffey Jr., Bonds and Randy Johnson (as well as a good supporting cast) all through the 90's and has only managed three 1st round exits.  We're in 1998 now, and to say he's getting a bit frustrated is putting it lightly.
8/22/2012 11:43 PM
Posted by teaparty on 8/14/2012 2:52:00 PM (view original):
Good series, amycox.  Hopefully we'll run across each other in a league soon.

If you ever find out where Troy went, let me know.
Him is back sent me e-mail message today so he is okey dokey
8/24/2012 6:39 PM
Posted by amycox67 on 8/24/2012 6:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by teaparty on 8/14/2012 2:52:00 PM (view original):
Good series, amycox.  Hopefully we'll run across each other in a league soon.

If you ever find out where Troy went, let me know.
Him is back sent me e-mail message today so he is okey dokey

Anyone reminded of "Flowers for Algernon" with amy's decreasing grammar?

8/27/2012 9:59 AM
Maybe Jar Jar Binks?
8/27/2012 2:56 PM
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