You can either wait for him to drop down to you or pull him down ( offer a schollarship and like 10 ST, maybe 15)...it depends on how much cash you have.

And you want the HIHI PER guys.

I offered him a scholarship, 10 guaranteed minutes and 2 HVs (he turned down the minutes and HVs).  I've already dumped 2 STs into him but I could dump 10 more if that will pull him down to me.

He will always reject those the until he falls down or pulls down.
To pull down, only use scouting visits. It takes 10+ total usually. Once you've pulled him down, an use other stuff us necessary.

That's a fundamental concept it takes newer coaches a bit to learn (usually from being on the forums) - the drop down.

While most of us simply take the understanding of using STs to drop someone down as a given, it's not that way to new coaches, because there is no neon sign (other than someone on here telling you) to use the STs first and drop him and then use the other stuff.

You guys are right, I thought it would just be activity in general and not specifically STs to get someone to drop down. Figures it only took me 10 seasons or so to learn haha.  I sent him 6 more STs this cycle so we will see.  If I meet that threshold of STs, since I am a backup option, is there a good chance he will take the scholarship?

Another question...I have another target who has said I'm a backup option, but he is already considering a sim D2 school. The FSS message says "The other school seems to be the favorite - right now"  Any chance of the 10 ST/scholarship swaying him?

Don't battle a sim D2 school unless you are committed to spending a ridiculous amount of money.  If it were a human D2, he might be going after more guys than he has slots, but not a sim.  

Posted by jkumpulanian on 10/19/2012 3:57:00 PM (view original):
You guys are right, I thought it would just be activity in general and not specifically STs to get someone to drop down. Figures it only took me 10 seasons or so to learn haha.  I sent him 6 more STs this cycle so we will see.  If I meet that threshold of STs, since I am a backup option, is there a good chance he will take the scholarship?

Generally when you pull a guy down you have already spent more than enough effort to have them consider you.

Posted by rgerkin on 10/20/2012 5:53:00 PM (view original):
Don't battle a sim D2 school unless you are committed to spending a ridiculous amount of money.  If it were a human D2, he might be going after more guys than he has slots, but not a sim.  

no offense, but this is terrible advice. i never was much of a d3 player, but in my last 20 seasons or so of d3, i probably batled about a half dozen sims, and never lost. in rare situations, you can get unlucky, and lose. the trick is to pick carefully - generally 1 player on a 3 man class is going to be pretty costly, relatively. and you really only can afford to battle d2 sims from d3 if you have low cost HVs (got to be under 360 miles). 

d2 vs d1 sims is more difficult, but still, i don't think ive ever lost one of those either. i admit, ive gotten lucky - but i would not even hesitate to say i would expect to win a battle with an upper division sim at least 90% of the time. but keep in mind if you pick foolishly - you are going for the primary target of a sim, and that target is 1500 miles away - then sure, you are pretty much screwed. i honestly don't think ive lost a battle to a sim in my entire HD career, and ive battled up a division for them probably near 20 times by now. maybe it happened once out of all those, but that would be the max.

Posted by blackdog3377 on 10/20/2012 7:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jkumpulanian on 10/19/2012 3:57:00 PM (view original):
You guys are right, I thought it would just be activity in general and not specifically STs to get someone to drop down. Figures it only took me 10 seasons or so to learn haha.  I sent him 6 more STs this cycle so we will see.  If I meet that threshold of STs, since I am a backup option, is there a good chance he will take the scholarship?

Generally when you pull a guy down you have already spent more than enough effort to have them consider you.

i think you can take the "generally" out of this statement. by definition, IMO, you have spent enough to pull a guy down when you have spent enough to get him to consider you. now, if another school has spent more, you might not show up - but you still have spent enough to get the guy to consider you if he wasn't considering anyone else.

i could be wrong on this though, im only moderately confident...

A few times based on the messages at the end of the STs that say you're getting close I've managed to pinpoint when I'm close enough to have the guy accept HVs before he's considering me when I'm the only one pulling him down but I'm suspicious he could draw additional attention.  So it is possible.

I did land the pull down but I was dumb and offered a scholarship to the backp option and they both accepted when I only wanted one guard. That meant I couldn't go after the d2 sim SF I mentioned previously...the one where he was already considering a sim school. Lesson learned though. Anyone know why there is such a huge jump from 350 to 360 miles in terms of recruiting costs? I was reading Weena's post about budgeting and noticed almost double the cost at those two distances.

Posted by jkumpulanian on 10/21/2012 1:22:00 PM (view original):
I did land the pull down but I was dumb and offered a scholarship to the backp option and they both accepted when I only wanted one guard. That meant I couldn't go after the d2 sim SF I mentioned previously...the one where he was already considering a sim school. Lesson learned though. Anyone know why there is such a huge jump from 350 to 360 miles in terms of recruiting costs? I was reading Weena's post about budgeting and noticed almost double the cost at those two distances.

360 miles is the huge jump - some players at 360 are really 359 rounded up - those are still cheap. some are 361+ rounded down, those are expensive (just fyi, not to nitpick)

anyway, WIS build this in to somehow represent the cutoffs in cost. they said well maybe at 360 miles now you have to fly so its way more expensive. and there is another cutoff, at 200 miles, where costs jump about 20-30%. i guess this represents the difference between a day trip and needing a hotel overnight, or something like that. anyway, there is also a third cutoff, its like 1360 or 1440 or something, and i haven't a damn clue what it represents, maybe just to keep big time east coast teams off the west coast or something, i dont think there is any half assed claim of why that might happen.

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/21/2012 12:25:00 AM (view original):
A few times based on the messages at the end of the STs that say you're getting close I've managed to pinpoint when I'm close enough to have the guy accept HVs before he's considering me when I'm the only one pulling him down but I'm suspicious he could draw additional attention.  So it is possible.

interesting... although im 99% sure the messages at the end of SVs dont mean anything and its just coincidence you base that line off of them. 

i wonder, when you did this, did you have a scholarship out? i always do, and have never seen an area inbetween, after many many examples. makes me wonder about the scholarship.

Posted by gillispie1 on 10/20/2012 10:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rgerkin on 10/20/2012 5:53:00 PM (view original):
Don't battle a sim D2 school unless you are committed to spending a ridiculous amount of money.  If it were a human D2, he might be going after more guys than he has slots, but not a sim.  

no offense, but this is terrible advice. i never was much of a d3 player, but in my last 20 seasons or so of d3, i probably batled about a half dozen sims, and never lost. in rare situations, you can get unlucky, and lose. the trick is to pick carefully - generally 1 player on a 3 man class is going to be pretty costly, relatively. and you really only can afford to battle d2 sims from d3 if you have low cost HVs (got to be under 360 miles). 

d2 vs d1 sims is more difficult, but still, i don't think ive ever lost one of those either. i admit, ive gotten lucky - but i would not even hesitate to say i would expect to win a battle with an upper division sim at least 90% of the time. but keep in mind if you pick foolishly - you are going for the primary target of a sim, and that target is 1500 miles away - then sure, you are pretty much screwed. i honestly don't think ive lost a battle to a sim in my entire HD career, and ive battled up a division for them probably near 20 times by now. maybe it happened once out of all those, but that would be the max.

No offense taken, I actually said this with much more confidence than was warranted.  I was unsuccessful 2/2 times, but always wondered if someone with more experience had it more figured out.  In fact I think one of the battles I lost was at 380 miles, so it was just too expensive.  Thanks for the clarification, and this should help me recruit more aggressively.