Scoring ability based on ATH alone? Topic

I was wondering is a player can be an efficient scorer based only on ATH. 

Exhibit A:
http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2279613

This interesting character will be a 90+ ATH and REB, and 99 DEF when its all said and done.  However, he will probably never improve on his LP or PER of 1.  Can I ever count on him being anything other than a defensive specialist, or will his high ATH allow him to score despite his nonexistent LP game?

Exhibit B:
http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2279609

Similar story for this guy, I foresee 99 ATH and 99 DEF in his future.  However, I still have hope for his PER as it is still blue.

Thanks for the help!

Edit: BTW I'm in the middle of transitioning over to a fastbreak/fullcourt press which they should be proficient at by their senior year.



11/3/2012 6:56 PM
I am far from an expert, but for guards I normally would like high ATH and high BH if I want them to score with low PER.  I think of these guys as slasher types.  I have had some success with those type of guards.  LP should also be helpful in that case.  Your Guard will have decent PER.

For your Center guy ... I don't think he will be able to score without LP.
11/3/2012 8:07 PM
Posted by hughesjr on 11/3/2012 8:07:00 PM (view original):
I am far from an expert, but for guards I normally would like high ATH and high BH if I want them to score with low PER.  I think of these guys as slasher types.  I have had some success with those type of guards.  LP should also be helpful in that case.  Your Guard will have decent PER.

For your Center guy ... I don't think he will be able to score without LP.
I don't think the center will score **EFFICIENTLY**. He will draw fouls and get to the line, and with that athleticism, he could very well get a lot of putbacks. However, he won't shoot very well.
11/3/2012 9:23 PM
Posted by caesari on 11/3/2012 9:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by hughesjr on 11/3/2012 8:07:00 PM (view original):
I am far from an expert, but for guards I normally would like high ATH and high BH if I want them to score with low PER.  I think of these guys as slasher types.  I have had some success with those type of guards.  LP should also be helpful in that case.  Your Guard will have decent PER.

For your Center guy ... I don't think he will be able to score without LP.
I don't think the center will score **EFFICIENTLY**. He will draw fouls and get to the line, and with that athleticism, he could very well get a lot of putbacks. However, he won't shoot very well.
Yea I was kind of thinking the only way he would score would be with putbacks.  With that ATH and REB he should be an absolute machine on the glass, so I would hope that his ATH would allow him some putbacks despite his LP.
11/3/2012 9:37 PM
Are you going to play the guard at small forward?  His ball handling and passing would stop me from putting him at the one or two, especially playing against a press team.  Also, I haven't had much luck with perimeter guys that have low ball handling, but that may just be my limited experience talking.  He will definitely be a shutdown defender, that isn't debatable. 
11/3/2012 9:54 PM
Posted by milwood on 11/3/2012 9:54:00 PM (view original):
Are you going to play the guard at small forward?  His ball handling and passing would stop me from putting him at the one or two, especially playing against a press team.  Also, I haven't had much luck with perimeter guys that have low ball handling, but that may just be my limited experience talking.  He will definitely be a shutdown defender, that isn't debatable. 
Yea I was def planning on playing him at #3.  Knew he was going to be a stud defender, just hoping I could get some kind of offensive production out of him too.
11/3/2012 10:01 PM
Posted by milwood on 11/3/2012 9:54:00 PM (view original):
Are you going to play the guard at small forward?  His ball handling and passing would stop me from putting him at the one or two, especially playing against a press team.  Also, I haven't had much luck with perimeter guys that have low ball handling, but that may just be my limited experience talking.  He will definitely be a shutdown defender, that isn't debatable. 
I had a D2 player who just graduated last season who ended up 100 ath, 84 speed, 98 per, 48 LP and only 50 BH. He ended his career averaging over 10 points a game and shot over 50%. He played SG almost exclusively but sometimes at SF.
11/3/2012 10:34 PM
well, bh is certainly important for perimeter scoring, and what milwood said is generally true. but most rating deficiencies in one important area can be overcome by great ratings in the other areas that are important for an ability - and 100ath, 84 spd, and 98 per certainly fit the bill. 48 lp doesnt hurt either. if that guy had like 70 bh, i would easily have him hitting 20ppg as a senior on my team, so really the numbers you throw out for his actual performance make that bh sound like it really held him back - although honestly, im suspecting that is just because you didnt let him score that much, 50 bh is totally fine for INSANELY good ratings everywhere else.
11/4/2012 12:46 AM
I had a DIII guard that averaged about 18 ppg and was my highest % shooter in school history. He had 90's in ath and spd, with 80's in def. His LP was in 40's. His per, BH, and pass were all below 30. He was one of the most efficient scorers I've ever had.

I know it's DIII, but if that guy can be that good at DIII playing at SG, armstrong can be a good scorer at DII, although I might say play him at SF instead? Maybe I'm wrong there, but the speed is a bit low.
11/4/2012 1:09 PM
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