Not sh*t

Excited for my first recruiting session as an A+ school as I worked hard and built my team up to that..

End up in a battle with a B- school in the same city (same distance)

Now I know that there is more to recruiting then prestige and I'm not taking anything away from the guy.. But he signs a D2 who listed me as a backup on the first recruiting cycle (I tried to pulldown with scouting trips) and wins out on two other recruits we were fighting for..

Seems a bit ridiculous if you ask me.

0/6 spots filled. There goes my program! Sucks I have a lot of credits left ughhh

Thats some pretty serious cash wasting to have 6 open scholarships and not sign someone.

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 11:22:00 AM (view original):
0/6 spots filled. There goes my program! Sucks I have a lot of credits left ughhh

I dont even know how thats possible. It seems like you got way over confident and extended yourself way too far.

Posted by blackdog3377 on 4/12/2013 11:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 11:22:00 AM (view original):
0/6 spots filled. There goes my program! Sucks I have a lot of credits left ughhh

I dont even know how thats possible. It seems like you got way over confident and extended yourself way too far.

Lost them all to lower prestige first year coaches....and this isn't my first rodeo.

I'll start my walk on's and walk away from the game...this was the final straw.

I think a lot of us go overboard the first recruiting season when we finally get an A/A+ prestige.

It happens.  It took me 3-4 seasons to understand its an advantage, but far from a guarantee.  Hopefully you learn your lesson sooner than I did. 

Posted by sull21858 on 4/12/2013 12:13:00 PM (view original):
I think a lot of us go overboard the first recruiting season when we finally get an A/A+ prestige.

It happens.  It took me 3-4 seasons to understand its an advantage, but far from a guarantee.  Hopefully you learn your lesson sooner than I did. 

I didn't go overboard I don't think...It is hard to fill 6 spots with $19k.... But how do I lose three recruits, under 200 miles combined as an A+ to a first year coach B- school?

I won't get over that. I'm actually kind of happy because I spent too much time with WIS and now it's over =)

BOL guys.

Don't quit the whole game over that vegask.   If you've got a skosh of your budget left, then you may be able to sign a couple players that can help keep the team competitive this season.  All you need is about 8 to run at slowdown for the season and keep your chances at getting into the NT.  Even if you can't do that, just move your credits to a different world, set up the team the best way you can and try to experiment with it.

Otherwise, you're right.  Prestige isn't much of a factor at DIII.  It doesn't become much of a recruiting advantage until you get to DI, it only changes the rate at which players drop down.  At DIII, if a player is recruitable at all, then it isn't that big a deal whether one team has an A+ and the other a C-.   It comes down to available cash and effective use of the recruiting budget.

You did a crappy job of recruiting and that is somehow the games fault? I understand the frustration but there is no reason you should be walking away without signing anyone. Clearly you didn't do a good job of planning your strategy and executing and having a backup plan if things start to go wrong. $19K at D3 is a very good amount of money and you should have landed a top class.

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 12:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sull21858 on 4/12/2013 12:13:00 PM (view original):
I think a lot of us go overboard the first recruiting season when we finally get an A/A+ prestige.

It happens.  It took me 3-4 seasons to understand its an advantage, but far from a guarantee.  Hopefully you learn your lesson sooner than I did. 

I didn't go overboard I don't think...It is hard to fill 6 spots with $19k.... But how do I lose three recruits, under 200 miles combined as an A+ to a first year coach B- school?

I won't get over that. I'm actually kind of happy because I spent too much time with WIS and now it's over =)

BOL guys.

I just filled 6 potentially 7 spots with 15K and 3K spent on FSS so a budget of 12K  -- you can do it gotta be smart with it

I think you must have made the mistake of putting all of your eggs in a few baskets, i.e. you sank your recruiting dollars into a few guys and when you lost those battles you had no backup plan.

If you know all of this stuff already, that's fine, but I thought this may help:

Any time a battle comes up (a recruit is considering someone else besides just your school), you need to do an immediate evaluation as soon as you find that out. You want to know BEFOREHAND if the battle is even worth fighting.

You also have to know the player you're going after - is he really worth the battle, or can you find another similar player without battling?

You should be looking at MORE than just your prestige versus theirs. Some things to look at:

1. Distance for BOTH of you. I know you said you looked at this, but you need to be careful when doing it. The difference between a recruit at 10 miles away and 150 miles away isn't a lot, even for HVs (for example, I think it's $300 for an HV at 10 miles but just $350 or so at 150 miles - that's not a lot of money difference). Even when you get beyond the thresholds at 200 and 360 miles, there are considerations to be made, which brings me to:

2. Recruiting cash. You know what you have left at any given time, but you need to evaluate the other person's resources to see how much they might have. To do that , you must look at:

A. How many scholarships they have open. This is a big deal as you get money based on this. If you both have three open, you started fairly even. If he's got six open and you only had three, he started with a lot more than you.

B. How many guys does he have signed and/or considering him without any competition for them (meaning they will sign unless someone else comes along)? If he has three open scholarships and has signed two guys already, you know the rest of his budget (whatever is left) can be thrown at beating you.

C. How many other battles is he in? If he's got three open scholarships and is fighting someone for three separate recruits, it's the opposite of the last situation - he may not have the funds to fight you.

D. Remember to look at WOTS when checking his battles - is he leading or behind? If he's leading, he may not have to expend much more there depending upon what the other people in that battle do. If he's behind, then he'll have to spend if he wants to win, meaning he'll have less to fight you.

Bistiza - As for distance it was the same city

I'm not trying to QQ, it is what it is.   I just thought prestige meant something and hopefully other coaches will learn from my mistake.  I'm just baffled as I did expect to win the battles against a coach with a team that hasn't gone to the NT in 8 seasons until a Sim took them there last year. I offered guarantee starting spots,etc.. and the guy lands a D2 easy and my guys....GTFO

I guess I have to remember that these kids are not real LOL. Why put anymore time into the game after this?  Doesn't matter how successful your program has been, it has no merit.

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 12:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sull21858 on 4/12/2013 12:13:00 PM (view original):
I think a lot of us go overboard the first recruiting season when we finally get an A/A+ prestige.

It happens.  It took me 3-4 seasons to understand its an advantage, but far from a guarantee.  Hopefully you learn your lesson sooner than I did. 

I didn't go overboard I don't think...It is hard to fill 6 spots with $19k.... But how do I lose three recruits, under 200 miles combined as an A+ to a first year coach B- school?

I won't get over that. I'm actually kind of happy because I spent too much time with WIS and now it's over =)

BOL guys.

1. It's really easy to fill 6 scholarships on 19k.    You should probably only fill 4 anyway.  Crap, at D3, you should probably be able to find 4 good guys for like 2k if you have some recruits near you.

2.   You lost three recruits because he beat you.  The difference between A+ and B- is probaly like 15% at D3.  It might not even be that much.  He probably spent one more ST or promised minutes.  Anyway, you should reexamine how you recruit if you stick around.  It's incredibly likely you made some mistakes.   Like if he pulled the first guy down, did you try to pull him down as well?  You were probably better off waiting for him to drop down to you.   That way the 2k he spent on him could be nulified by like two HVs on your part.  If you went ahead and pulled him down as well you pretty much wasted the most valuable aspect of prestige.

What recruiting effort did you use on these recruits? Was it efficient or was it costing you a lot to do very little? There is more information that needs to be included. I know when I have lost a battle I have asked the other coach what he put in so I have a better understanding, they don't always tell you, but sometimes they will.

My assumption has to be that somehow you spent a large portion of your money trying to pulldown, FSS (maybe more than 5), scouting, or you spread money out on too many people. That is the only explanation. Did he have a bunch of open scholarships  and just decided to put everything into one player? Maybe he is in a conference that gets good tourney money. I honestly feel like in order to not sign even 1 recruit with 19k you have to try.

Prestige is a difference maker for when the recruit will talk to you or if you guys are even in spending credit. So it means he had to spend more than you on the recruit. If you dropped like 10k on this recruit and still lost, then he must've really wanted this guy and went all out to recruit him. I'm pretty sure he offered the same guaranteed start and probably 30 mpg etc.