Ironically enough, I find I have done my best work at the B+/A- range. I've often had more trouble than I like at A+, and in my recent experiment at C+/B- I had no problem getting big time players. I think the bottom line is if you're focused on your own prestige when you go into recruiting outside of D1, that's almost like strike one.  

Posted by tkimble on 4/12/2013 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Don't quit the whole game over that vegask.   If you've got a skosh of your budget left, then you may be able to sign a couple players that can help keep the team competitive this season.  All you need is about 8 to run at slowdown for the season and keep your chances at getting into the NT.  Even if you can't do that, just move your credits to a different world, set up the team the best way you can and try to experiment with it.

Otherwise, you're right.  Prestige isn't much of a factor at DIII.  It doesn't become much of a recruiting advantage until you get to DI, it only changes the rate at which players drop down.  At DIII, if a player is recruitable at all, then it isn't that big a deal whether one team has an A+ and the other a C-.   It comes down to available cash and effective use of the recruiting budget.

This isn't true, high prestige in D3 is a HUGE advantage.  Not necessarily because you have an advantage in a battle, but because it gives you access to much better players.  Not only sooner, but some elite guys will only talk to high prestige D3 schools and won't talk to other D3 schools.  Hell, I've had an A+ and didn't have a guy talk to me and another A+ school snagged him (they were coming off a title, so they had a very high A+, not within 70 miles if I recall correctly).  

I'd agree that is an advantage, but that misses my point.  I'll clarify: instead of "if a player is recruitable at all" substitute 'if a recruit will accept HV & CV from both schools...'.   Clearly, the OP was aware that some lower prestige school(s) were putting in effective recruiting effort on his targeted recruits, but must have operated under the mistaken belief that his recruiting effort counted for significantly more due to his higher prestige, but, in fact, it has either a negligible or a minor effect at the D3 level.  

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 8:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/12/2013 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Don't quit the whole game over that vegask.   If you've got a skosh of your budget left, then you may be able to sign a couple players that can help keep the team competitive this season.  All you need is about 8 to run at slowdown for the season and keep your chances at getting into the NT.  Even if you can't do that, just move your credits to a different world, set up the team the best way you can and try to experiment with it.

Otherwise, you're right.  Prestige isn't much of a factor at DIII.  It doesn't become much of a recruiting advantage until you get to DI, it only changes the rate at which players drop down.  At DIII, if a player is recruitable at all, then it isn't that big a deal whether one team has an A+ and the other a C-.   It comes down to available cash and effective use of the recruiting budget.

This isn't true, high prestige in D3 is a HUGE advantage.  Not necessarily because you have an advantage in a battle, but because it gives you access to much better players.  Not only sooner, but some elite guys will only talk to high prestige D3 schools and won't talk to other D3 schools.  Hell, I've had an A+ and didn't have a guy talk to me and another A+ school snagged him (they were coming off a title, so they had a very high A+, not within 70 miles if I recall correctly).  

I'd agree that is an advantage, but that misses my point.  I'll clarify: instead of "if a player is recruitable at all" substitute 'if a recruit will accept HV & CV from both schools...'.   Clearly, the OP was aware that some lower prestige school(s) were putting in effective recruiting effort on his targeted recruits, but must have operated under the mistaken belief that his recruiting effort counted for significantly more due to his higher prestige, but, in fact, it has either a negligible or a minor effect at the D3 level.  

Yes, I did believe I was at a higher advantage with my prestige. Seems to not be the case, hope other coaches heed warning from my experience.

WIS wss always fun because it seemed realistic... My scenario is VERY unrealistic in the real world of basketball.. Not going to waste another 8 seasons at one-a-day to rebuild. I thought a D3 powerhouse would be fun but you're no better that a D+ at all times.

It always makes me laugh when people go out of their way to announce they are doing something..."I'm quitting this game." Or "I'm blocking you!" on twitter...who cares. Just do it and be gone.

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 8:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 8:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/12/2013 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Don't quit the whole game over that vegask.   If you've got a skosh of your budget left, then you may be able to sign a couple players that can help keep the team competitive this season.  All you need is about 8 to run at slowdown for the season and keep your chances at getting into the NT.  Even if you can't do that, just move your credits to a different world, set up the team the best way you can and try to experiment with it.

Otherwise, you're right.  Prestige isn't much of a factor at DIII.  It doesn't become much of a recruiting advantage until you get to DI, it only changes the rate at which players drop down.  At DIII, if a player is recruitable at all, then it isn't that big a deal whether one team has an A+ and the other a C-.   It comes down to available cash and effective use of the recruiting budget.

This isn't true, high prestige in D3 is a HUGE advantage.  Not necessarily because you have an advantage in a battle, but because it gives you access to much better players.  Not only sooner, but some elite guys will only talk to high prestige D3 schools and won't talk to other D3 schools.  Hell, I've had an A+ and didn't have a guy talk to me and another A+ school snagged him (they were coming off a title, so they had a very high A+, not within 70 miles if I recall correctly).  

I'd agree that is an advantage, but that misses my point.  I'll clarify: instead of "if a player is recruitable at all" substitute 'if a recruit will accept HV & CV from both schools...'.   Clearly, the OP was aware that some lower prestige school(s) were putting in effective recruiting effort on his targeted recruits, but must have operated under the mistaken belief that his recruiting effort counted for significantly more due to his higher prestige, but, in fact, it has either a negligible or a minor effect at the D3 level.  

Yes, I did believe I was at a higher advantage with my prestige. Seems to not be the case, hope other coaches heed warning from my experience.

WIS wss always fun because it seemed realistic... My scenario is VERY unrealistic in the real world of basketball.. Not going to waste another 8 seasons at one-a-day to rebuild. I thought a D3 powerhouse would be fun but you're no better that a D+ at all times.

tkimble's point is true, though.  The advantage is to use that A+ prestige to target recruits that other D3 schools would have to pulldown or cannot recruit at all.  Then, as long as no D2 coach goes slumming, you should be able to sign those recruits without the expense of a battle.   If you get the feeling you're getting into too many battles with lower prestige D3 schools, then I would suggest that you didn't start early enough targeting recruits high enough on your D3 or D2 list (or worse, targeted too many recruits too early). 

The entire prestige scale at D3 (A+ to C-) is probably comfortably below 10%.  That information is readily available on the forums, it's come up at least every month or two as long as I've been playing this game.  If you expect to be garnering an advantage from your A+ prestige you're already way behind, since your reckoning is way off.  The problem was with your approach, not the game itself...

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 2:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gvsujulius on 4/12/2013 2:25:00 PM (view original):
What recruiting effort did you use on these recruits? Was it efficient or was it costing you a lot to do very little? There is more information that needs to be included. I know when I have lost a battle I have asked the other coach what he put in so I have a better understanding, they don't always tell you, but sometimes they will.

I've played for awhile, have read and studied the game a lot and know how to recruit. My only guess is the guy had an $80,000 bankroll lol.

I did the norm, CV's,etc.. even offered starting spots when I knew I had no chance.  I give the guy props, he did an excellent job. I put a little too much value in prestige which was my worst mistake.

Seems kinda ridiculous to say you've "read and studied the game a lot and know how to recruit" right before you admit you have no idea how prestige works...

Posted by dahsdebater on 4/12/2013 10:57:00 PM (view original):
The entire prestige scale at D3 (A+ to C-) is probably comfortably below 10%.  That information is readily available on the forums, it's come up at least every month or two as long as I've been playing this game.  If you expect to be garnering an advantage from your A+ prestige you're already way behind, since your reckoning is way off.  The problem was with your approach, not the game itself...

when a recruit is within 200 miles, many view the difference in recruiting costs to be negligible.  The cost of a home visit at 10 miles is $300, and a home visit at 150 miles is $330.  Which is 10%.

Posted by jsajsa on 4/12/2013 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Ironically enough, I find I have done my best work at the B+/A- range. I've often had more trouble than I like at A+, and in my recent experiment at C+/B- I had no problem getting big time players. I think the bottom line is if you're focused on your own prestige when you go into recruiting outside of D1, that's almost like strike one.  

It's true. When I was a B- I pulled in a ranked D2 C easy... A+ I'm invisible.

pres·tige  n. 3. Widely recognized prominence, distinction, or importance

Posted by tarvolon on 4/12/2013 5:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/12/2013 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Don't quit the whole game over that vegask.   If you've got a skosh of your budget left, then you may be able to sign a couple players that can help keep the team competitive this season.  All you need is about 8 to run at slowdown for the season and keep your chances at getting into the NT.  Even if you can't do that, just move your credits to a different world, set up the team the best way you can and try to experiment with it.

Otherwise, you're right.  Prestige isn't much of a factor at DIII.  It doesn't become much of a recruiting advantage until you get to DI, it only changes the rate at which players drop down.  At DIII, if a player is recruitable at all, then it isn't that big a deal whether one team has an A+ and the other a C-.   It comes down to available cash and effective use of the recruiting budget.

This isn't true, high prestige in D3 is a HUGE advantage.  Not necessarily because you have an advantage in a battle, but because it gives you access to much better players.  Not only sooner, but some elite guys will only talk to high prestige D3 schools and won't talk to other D3 schools.  Hell, I've had an A+ and didn't have a guy talk to me and another A+ school snagged him (they were coming off a title, so they had a very high A+, not within 70 miles if I recall correctly).  

This is definitely a point worth making. Although last season in Knight I pulled down a guy with C+ prestige and my A+ conference mate got the "in your dreams!" message. Still haven't wrapped my mind around that one. 

Tarvolon, by any chance was the guy you're talking about within 70 miles of your school?  If he was, that "might" explain it (I guess).  If he wasn't, then I'm not sure your conference mate interpreted some of the messages he got correctly.  There's really no way (outside of a glitch, maybe) that a team two full letter grades lower should be able to pull down a player that the higher team couldn't (unless the 70 mile rule was in effect and even then I don't think that would be enough.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you're wrong by any means, just that something doesn't sound right here).

Posted by blackdog3377 on 4/12/2013 3:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 2:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by a_in_the_b on 4/12/2013 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Ad also, what of conference mates recruiting cash?

Here is another one for you lol.

New guy in the conference. Has 7 open spots and ONLY considered by another guy I'm trying to get come signing time and he gets him.

So let me get this straight. He had 7 spots and was only going after one guy? Are you really surprised he won then?

This is kind of a no-brainer.  Not sure what the complaint is here.  I would have been surprised had the guy with the 7 open schollies NOT gotten the player, given the scenario.

Posted by emy1013 on 4/13/2013 2:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by blackdog3377 on 4/12/2013 3:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 2:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by a_in_the_b on 4/12/2013 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Ad also, what of conference mates recruiting cash?

Here is another one for you lol.

New guy in the conference. Has 7 open spots and ONLY considered by another guy I'm trying to get come signing time and he gets him.

So let me get this straight. He had 7 spots and was only going after one guy? Are you really surprised he won then?

This is kind of a no-brainer.  Not sure what the complaint is here.  I would have been surprised had the guy with the 7 open schollies NOT gotten the player, given the scenario.

No I'm not surprised....It was a response to a conference question..not a complaint... but a big WTF??

How much would prestige matter in RL D3. Do most HS players really care that much where they are going to play at that level? Short answer is not really as long as they get to play ball somewhere. Sure maybe the more successful program might have a slight advantage but its really more about fit and where they would feel more comfortable.

Posted by emy1013 on 4/13/2013 2:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tarvolon on 4/12/2013 5:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/12/2013 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Don't quit the whole game over that vegask.   If you've got a skosh of your budget left, then you may be able to sign a couple players that can help keep the team competitive this season.  All you need is about 8 to run at slowdown for the season and keep your chances at getting into the NT.  Even if you can't do that, just move your credits to a different world, set up the team the best way you can and try to experiment with it.

Otherwise, you're right.  Prestige isn't much of a factor at DIII.  It doesn't become much of a recruiting advantage until you get to DI, it only changes the rate at which players drop down.  At DIII, if a player is recruitable at all, then it isn't that big a deal whether one team has an A+ and the other a C-.   It comes down to available cash and effective use of the recruiting budget.

This isn't true, high prestige in D3 is a HUGE advantage.  Not necessarily because you have an advantage in a battle, but because it gives you access to much better players.  Not only sooner, but some elite guys will only talk to high prestige D3 schools and won't talk to other D3 schools.  Hell, I've had an A+ and didn't have a guy talk to me and another A+ school snagged him (they were coming off a title, so they had a very high A+, not within 70 miles if I recall correctly).  

This is definitely a point worth making. Although last season in Knight I pulled down a guy with C+ prestige and my A+ conference mate got the "in your dreams!" message. Still haven't wrapped my mind around that one. 

Tarvolon, by any chance was the guy you're talking about within 70 miles of your school?  If he was, that "might" explain it (I guess).  If he wasn't, then I'm not sure your conference mate interpreted some of the messages he got correctly.  There's really no way (outside of a glitch, maybe) that a team two full letter grades lower should be able to pull down a player that the higher team couldn't (unless the 70 mile rule was in effect and even then I don't think that would be enough.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you're wrong by any means, just that something doesn't sound right here).

Oh, you're right. I didn't even think about that. He wasn't immediately recruitable, so I just lumped him in with all the other "inside 200" players (when figuring out my budget), and I had forgotten he was within 70 miles by the time (after recruiting ended) my conference mate said something. But I just checked Google maps (which I know is not how distance is calculated on HD, but I thought it'd give me a good idea in the very close case) and it says his hometown is 30 miles from my campus.