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I know this is well after the fact, but just to clarify, this was a situation between 2 DIII schools. 

I had put money into him from the very first cycle, but couldn't get "Considered" until the next afternoon because apparently Chorpening was dumping cash into him.  That being said, I had the advantage and he looked like a 700+ big man, so I chose to continue the battle.  FWIW, after the emotions calmed down a bit, Chorpening apologized for his comments.  And I didn't have to fight him for every recruit moving forward. :)

Ironically, neither of us ended up landing him, another school from his Conference swooped in later.  Too bad too, the kid missed out on a National Championship.
6/4/2013 12:37 PM
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Posted by artie40 on 10/2/2012 11:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gvsujulius on 9/30/2012 11:42:00 PM (view original):
I always laugh when someone says they are going to go after every recruit you do in future years... If that is the case then they clearly aren't a very good coach. I don't change my recruiting game plan from what my team needs, not how I can screw another coach. 

I also agree that there are D3 players that are better then D2 players, and the same with other divisions. You find what your team needs and you recruit the player, it makes you plan for how to spend money and when to go "all in" on a player with no guarantee's.
it would be a terrible waste of money to recruit just to try and "screw" someone else. i feel like you'd end up screwing yourself.
You can have fun with it though. I had someone threaten to go after my recruits, so to test the waters I spent a small amount of money on a legit-looking but mostly low-potential kid to get an early consider on him, figuring if the guy was really going to stalk me he probably wouldn't be spending FSS dollars to see potentials. Sure enough, I got blasted out of the water in a cycle or two by the stalker. Figuring he'd probably gone overboard to ensure I couldn't "get" the kid, I felt safe going on to my "main" target.

So for the investment of a few hundred recruiting dollars, I signed a kid I wanted all along, plus got the entertainment/satisfaction of knowing my stalker had just spent ridiculous amounts of cash for a player that would forever suck.

I am karma. Hear me roar...
6/4/2013 1:24 PM
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I've had a number of D2 schools jump on D3 recruits who were considering me.  I consider it part of the game, and an indication that I must be doing something right if D2 schools want the kid.  But considering the cash difference between D2 and D3, it's just not worth a battle to me. 

The only time I've gotten upset during recruiting was when I had a good D3 C considering me and about 1 or 2 cycles before signings begin it looked like I was home free with the 2 players I had considering me.  But I needed a better PG, so I rescinded an existing player to free up a slot and go for another recruit.  One coach who I won't name must have been watching me and figured that meant I was low on cash (I was), so he jumped my C right before signings and bumped me off.

I considered it a dick move in D3, but after I calmed down I decided to learn a lesson from it and improve my own approach.  From that point on I never cut a player before signings thinking I can add another one.  Especially at D3.  It works much better to sign the kids you have, and after signings begin do your rescinding when you can get a replacement almost immediately. 

Moral of the story: Never get overconfident and complacent until the ink is on the paper.


6/4/2013 2:09 PM
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Posted by rednu on 6/4/2013 1:24:00 PM (view original):
Posted by artie40 on 10/2/2012 11:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gvsujulius on 9/30/2012 11:42:00 PM (view original):
I always laugh when someone says they are going to go after every recruit you do in future years... If that is the case then they clearly aren't a very good coach. I don't change my recruiting game plan from what my team needs, not how I can screw another coach. 

I also agree that there are D3 players that are better then D2 players, and the same with other divisions. You find what your team needs and you recruit the player, it makes you plan for how to spend money and when to go "all in" on a player with no guarantee's.
it would be a terrible waste of money to recruit just to try and "screw" someone else. i feel like you'd end up screwing yourself.
You can have fun with it though. I had someone threaten to go after my recruits, so to test the waters I spent a small amount of money on a legit-looking but mostly low-potential kid to get an early consider on him, figuring if the guy was really going to stalk me he probably wouldn't be spending FSS dollars to see potentials. Sure enough, I got blasted out of the water in a cycle or two by the stalker. Figuring he'd probably gone overboard to ensure I couldn't "get" the kid, I felt safe going on to my "main" target.

So for the investment of a few hundred recruiting dollars, I signed a kid I wanted all along, plus got the entertainment/satisfaction of knowing my stalker had just spent ridiculous amounts of cash for a player that would forever suck.

I am karma. Hear me roar...
Awesome, simply awesome!  If we are allowed to give numbers higher than +1, I'm going with +37342 on Rednu's move here and suggest we refer to it in all future forum threads as "the Rednu Maneuver."
6/4/2013 2:19 PM
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FIrst, I would think that these kind of threats are against the rules of the game.

Second, recruiting down a level happens all the time so you've done nothing wrong here.

The times that I've recruited down were usually to grab a SR transfer just to fill a spot and carry over some money.  One season I had to take a guy (not something I find joy in) from a DII coach in the last day of recruiting.  My other options fell through so I went after DII SR transfer in hopes of carrying over some cash.   Turns out, he was an ineligible his first season (of course I didn't look) and he ended up on my roster for two seasons as a SR instead of the one-and-done I though I was getting.  Karma can be a beauty sometimes.  Other times she can be a mean, cold-hearted, wart-nosed *****.
6/4/2013 4:01 PM
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Posted by ethan66 on 6/4/2013 2:11:00 PM (view original):
I've had a number of D2 schools jump on D3 recruits who were considering me.  I consider it part of the game, and an indication that I must be doing something right if D2 schools want the kid.  But considering the cash difference between D2 and D3, it's just not worth a battle to me. 

The only time I've gotten upset during recruiting was when I had a good D3 C considering me and about 1 or 2 cycles before signings begin it looked like I was home free with the 2 players I had considering me.  But I needed a better PG, so I rescinded an existing player to free up a slot and go for another recruit.  One coach who I won't name must have been watching me and figured that meant I was low on cash (I was), so he jumped my C right before signings and bumped me off.

I considered it a dick move in D3, but after I calmed down I decided to learn a lesson from it and improve my own approach.  From that point on I never cut a player before signings thinking I can add another one.  Especially at D3.  It works much better to sign the kids you have, and after signings begin do your rescinding when you can get a replacement almost immediately. 

Moral of the story: Never get overconfident and complacent until the ink is on the paper.


I didn't think you could rescind schollies after signings started?

6/4/2013 4:33 PM
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Posted by emy1013 on 6/4/2013 4:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ethan66 on 6/4/2013 2:11:00 PM (view original):
I've had a number of D2 schools jump on D3 recruits who were considering me.  I consider it part of the game, and an indication that I must be doing something right if D2 schools want the kid.  But considering the cash difference between D2 and D3, it's just not worth a battle to me. 

The only time I've gotten upset during recruiting was when I had a good D3 C considering me and about 1 or 2 cycles before signings begin it looked like I was home free with the 2 players I had considering me.  But I needed a better PG, so I rescinded an existing player to free up a slot and go for another recruit.  One coach who I won't name must have been watching me and figured that meant I was low on cash (I was), so he jumped my C right before signings and bumped me off.

I considered it a dick move in D3, but after I calmed down I decided to learn a lesson from it and improve my own approach.  From that point on I never cut a player before signings thinking I can add another one.  Especially at D3.  It works much better to sign the kids you have, and after signings begin do your rescinding when you can get a replacement almost immediately. 

Moral of the story: Never get overconfident and complacent until the ink is on the paper.


I didn't think you could rescind schollies after signings started?

you can't
6/4/2013 5:55 PM
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Posted by dacj501 on 6/4/2013 5:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by emy1013 on 6/4/2013 4:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ethan66 on 6/4/2013 2:11:00 PM (view original):
I've had a number of D2 schools jump on D3 recruits who were considering me.  I consider it part of the game, and an indication that I must be doing something right if D2 schools want the kid.  But considering the cash difference between D2 and D3, it's just not worth a battle to me. 

The only time I've gotten upset during recruiting was when I had a good D3 C considering me and about 1 or 2 cycles before signings begin it looked like I was home free with the 2 players I had considering me.  But I needed a better PG, so I rescinded an existing player to free up a slot and go for another recruit.  One coach who I won't name must have been watching me and figured that meant I was low on cash (I was), so he jumped my C right before signings and bumped me off.

I considered it a dick move in D3, but after I calmed down I decided to learn a lesson from it and improve my own approach.  From that point on I never cut a player before signings thinking I can add another one.  Especially at D3.  It works much better to sign the kids you have, and after signings begin do your rescinding when you can get a replacement almost immediately. 

Moral of the story: Never get overconfident and complacent until the ink is on the paper.


I didn't think you could rescind schollies after signings started?

you can't
maybe these comments are about some other simulation game?
6/4/2013 6:03 PM
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he clearly says 1 or 2 cycles BEFORE signings
6/4/2013 6:35 PM
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Posted by tacokisses on 6/4/2013 6:35:00 PM (view original):
he clearly says 1 or 2 cycles BEFORE signings
ethan is a friend and former mentee of mine, so I hope he realizes I am not calling him out for this (I once made a similar error in practice and failed to cut someone thinking I could do it after only to learn the hard way and miss out on a recruit I had in my sights).

That said, he very clearly does not:
It works much better to sign the kids you have, and after signings begin do your rescinding when you can get a replacement almost immediately. 
(emphasis added...)


No offense tacokisses, but I'd kindly suggest reading more closely before posting.
6/4/2013 6:41 PM
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ah yes, he contradicted himself nicely. my apologies
6/4/2013 6:54 PM
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Posted by tacokisses on 6/4/2013 6:54:00 PM (view original):
ah yes, he contradicted himself nicely. my apologies
not exactly... I'm really not trying to start **** with you, but he tells how he once lost a recruit by cutting a player a cycle or two before signings (where you got your initial mistaken impression) before advising that it would be better to cut players after signings. I admit the way he says it makes it sound like he has done so in the past, but since I know this to be impossible I believe he just misspoke. I don't think he contradicted himself however. 
6/4/2013 7:01 PM
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it isnt just a contradiction - he said - as if it were a fact - that things work better in a way that the game will not let you do.  Wasnt stated as speculation or an idea for the future.  It was stated as a conclusion that cutting after signings begin works much better and lets you get a replacement almost immediately.  That is simply impossible and it should be made clear to anyone who may be new to the game that it is a bunch of bull.  That also raises questions about whether one should take seriously anything in those posts.
6/4/2013 11:12 PM
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You used to be able to cut players after signings started, but it's been a long time since they changed that rule, and you can now only cut players before signings. Has ethan been around that long? Maybe he's remembering something from way back when, and hasn't tried cutting anyone since the change?
6/4/2013 11:52 PM (edited)
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Posted by metsmax on 6/4/2013 11:12:00 PM (view original):
it isnt just a contradiction - he said - as if it were a fact - that things work better in a way that the game will not let you do.  Wasnt stated as speculation or an idea for the future.  It was stated as a conclusion that cutting after signings begin works much better and lets you get a replacement almost immediately.  That is simply impossible and it should be made clear to anyone who may be new to the game that it is a bunch of bull.  That also raises questions about whether one should take seriously anything in those posts.
maybe, and maybe he just misspoke. As with anything in life, take from it what you will.
6/5/2013 12:11 AM
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