Posted by mrg1037 on 6/16/2013 7:19:00 PM (view original):
Research being, not everyone who is listed as a one year player is actually a one year player? I have certainly learned, but I'm not sure I should have been expected to know that.

I thought it was pretty obvious how many years he had left when it said "Eligible Years: 1" next to his name. If there's a chance he's gonna stay two years, that has to read "Eligible Years: 2".

Posted by udm_mike on 6/16/2013 10:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by stinenavy on 6/16/2013 10:07:00 PM (view original):
I'd hate to see the amount of moronic tickets like this that get submitted.

Research? It's two damn clicks in the player card.

The issue isn't whether it would have been easy to research it.  The issue is that he didn't know there was a need to research.  He searched for players with 1 year of eligibility and got a player who stayed 2 years.  Try, just try, writing something that adds value to a conversation please.

Posted by isack24 on 6/16/2013 11:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 6/16/2013 9:26:00 PM (view original):
there is no assurance that a nonqualifier will stay for an SR5 season
 
He had one year of assured eligibility - which is what the number 1 meant.  If it said 2, folks would complain when some kids left after 1. 

THE correct way to check is - as stated - to look at his college record.  Before recruiting a player, it is wise to look at their college record.

By the way, another circumstance in which one really should look at college record is if you have any interest in redshirting a player.  If a kid transfers after having had a redshirt, he cannot have a second red shirt.  So, if there is a guy with 2 or 3 seasons left who one considers signing with a possible redshirt in mind, you must look at his college record

The general guidance is always look at college record - may learn something

Exactly, although no one has addressed your post, despite it being the most on-point.

He is only eligible for one more year until he qualifies, by GPA, for a fifth. 

You should ALWAYS look at the collegiate record of a transfer player if you are recruiting a D1 or D2 player. 

Granted it sucks that you didn't know what to look for, but I don't think there is a problem. 1* solves it, I suppose, but at some point I really think the responsibility is on us, not on WIS to make it so easy that we have to do no research on the players we are recruiting. It's the same reason I don't favor an ability to search by potential.

And this is coming from someone who will always find a way to bash the developers for their failures to care even a little about this game.

 One more thing to cover before moving on is recruits that are listed as ineligible.

In DIII, this means nothing, as DIII recruits need only to have a 2.0 GPA to be eligible.

In DII, this means that the player will sit out his first year as a non-qualifier. He will be listed on your roster, and take up a scholarship, but he will not be allowed to practice with the team. After this season, the recruit will have 4 years of eligibility remaining.

Posted by stinenavy on 6/17/2013 1:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by udm_mike on 6/16/2013 10:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by stinenavy on 6/16/2013 10:07:00 PM (view original):
I'd hate to see the amount of moronic tickets like this that get submitted.

Research? It's two damn clicks in the player card.

The issue isn't whether it would have been easy to research it.  The issue is that he didn't know there was a need to research.  He searched for players with 1 year of eligibility and got a player who stayed 2 years.  Try, just try, writing something that adds value to a conversation please.

I'm not one to cater to those too lazy to verify a transfer wasn't previously an ineligible. Feel free to baby the guy because of his own mistake.

I believe support tickets should be only used for real issues, so that the queue isn't filled with tickets like the one  the OP submitted.

Posted by dacj501 on 6/17/2013 6:46:00 AM (view original):
Your frustration is understandable, however (and this may not be helpful at this point, but I feel it relevant) the information is available in the Player's Guide:

 One more thing to cover before moving on is recruits that are listed as ineligible.

In DIII, this means nothing, as DIII recruits need only to have a 2.0 GPA to be eligible.

In DII, this means that the player will sit out his first year as a non-qualifier. He will be listed on your roster, and take up a scholarship, but he will not be allowed to practice with the team. After this season, the recruit will have 4 years of eligibility remaining.

 

You mentioned that the recruit was transferring from a D2 school, so that means the possibility he was a non-qualifier existed. Are there things WiS could do to make this more obvious? Yes, but the basic information was/is out there. Ultimately I wouldn't expect this to be a major setback for your program, and hopefully this experience can serve as a learning tip for any coaches unfamiliar with this quirk...

Posted by mrg1037 on 6/17/2013 6:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 6/17/2013 6:46:00 AM (view original):
Your frustration is understandable, however (and this may not be helpful at this point, but I feel it relevant) the information is available in the Player's Guide:

 One more thing to cover before moving on is recruits that are listed as ineligible.

In DIII, this means nothing, as DIII recruits need only to have a 2.0 GPA to be eligible.

In DII, this means that the player will sit out his first year as a non-qualifier. He will be listed on your roster, and take up a scholarship, but he will not be allowed to practice with the team. After this season, the recruit will have 4 years of eligibility remaining.

 

You mentioned that the recruit was transferring from a D2 school, so that means the possibility he was a non-qualifier existed. Are there things WiS could do to make this more obvious? Yes, but the basic information was/is out there. Ultimately I wouldn't expect this to be a major setback for your program, and hopefully this experience can serve as a learning tip for any coaches unfamiliar with this quirk...

Based on that excerpt - "after the ineligible season he will have 4 years of eligibility remaining" - he should have been listed as Eligible Years: 2 when he transferred after playing two years at his D2 school.

Posted by mrg1037 on 6/17/2013 6:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 6/17/2013 6:46:00 AM (view original):
Your frustration is understandable, however (and this may not be helpful at this point, but I feel it relevant) the information is available in the Player's Guide:

 One more thing to cover before moving on is recruits that are listed as ineligible.

In DIII, this means nothing, as DIII recruits need only to have a 2.0 GPA to be eligible.

In DII, this means that the player will sit out his first year as a non-qualifier. He will be listed on your roster, and take up a scholarship, but he will not be allowed to practice with the team. After this season, the recruit will have 4 years of eligibility remaining.

 

You mentioned that the recruit was transferring from a D2 school, so that means the possibility he was a non-qualifier existed. Are there things WiS could do to make this more obvious? Yes, but the basic information was/is out there. Ultimately I wouldn't expect this to be a major setback for your program, and hopefully this experience can serve as a learning tip for any coaches unfamiliar with this quirk...

Based on that excerpt - "after the ineligible season he will have 4 years of eligibility remaining" - he should have been listed as Eligible Years: 2 when he transferred after playing two years at his D2 school.

Lets think about the lifecycle of a nonqualifier.

He appears like any other player with 4 years at the start - or should he start with 5?  If he goes DI, then he sits for a year.  Today, he comes back as a SO, showing as 3 years eligible if he transfers or is cut.  Should he show as 4 then?   A second season of 4 years eligible?  When does he experience the season in which his remaining years do not decline?  What should the programming do?

If he starts at 5 years eligible, does he go down to 4 if he gets his scores up?  Is 5 years eligible misleading since he can only play 4?

I dont think there is a great answer here - and I think what is done now is a good approach.  BUT, as noted above I think player "cards" should flag that a player was a nonqualifier or was a redshirt.  Add an icon that tells folks that info.