hmm, good point. if we tell him how often 1v16 upsets happen, do you think he would just quit immediately?

I think what you said about his stats knowledge is relevant.  I do think that's a big part of his frustration.  Although to be fair to etta, it might be more that he isn't used to thinking about this game or basketball in general in that context.  That's a little different than sitting in a college stats class and learning some concepts, which I think he's probably done.

Personally I have a degree in it, so I see little bell curves everywhere I look in real life.  I have to remind myself sometimes that everyone isn't wired like that.

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Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 2:49:00 AM (view original):
Every game it picks 5 minutes for my team to just stop playing and let the other team win no matter what the rest of the game looks like. Seems like the outcome is predetermined before the game is even played. Is the play by play just window dressing and the result actually determined before it's generated? That's what it seems like. 

Today it rewarded a team for playing an SF at C...really wish I hadn't let someone talk me into continuing to play. I guess I just have to hope I recruit well enough to override all of the sim problems. Not sure if that's possible.

Also, anything personal toward me is getting flagged immediately. Admin misunderstood what happened on the last thread...making sure that doesn't happen this time. There's going to be no question who escalated what...

Assess and evaluate by rating attributes, not by listed position. I have often played a SF at C, because often more ATH/SPD for FCP.

It's insulting that someone thinks I don't know this. And indicative that they haven't looked at my team's games at all.

You asked about one game.  Few of us have time to  study multiple games, analyze your actions, and determine your level of knowledge about this game.

Someone that's severely undermanned in rebounding trying to play against a rebound-oriented center is just never going to work in basketball.

Just fyi, I will pay good money to anyone who can convince Bama coach Anthony Grant that the above statement is true.

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Posted by headpirate on 2/14/2014 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 2:49:00 AM (view original):
Every game it picks 5 minutes for my team to just stop playing and let the other team win no matter what the rest of the game looks like. Seems like the outcome is predetermined before the game is even played. Is the play by play just window dressing and the result actually determined before it's generated? That's what it seems like. 

Today it rewarded a team for playing an SF at C...really wish I hadn't let someone talk me into continuing to play. I guess I just have to hope I recruit well enough to override all of the sim problems. Not sure if that's possible.

Also, anything personal toward me is getting flagged immediately. Admin misunderstood what happened on the last thread...making sure that doesn't happen this time. There's going to be no question who escalated what...

Assess and evaluate by rating attributes, not by listed position. I have often played a SF at C, because often more ATH/SPD for FCP.

It's insulting that someone thinks I don't know this. And indicative that they haven't looked at my team's games at all.

Regular participants of HD and the forums post to get some kind of positive (or sometimes negative) feedback on their observations or questions; I now realize your posts are rants without desire for feedback or edification.

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Posted by fd343ny on 2/14/2014 1:19:00 PM (view original):
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."   

this quotation - which may or may not properly be attributed to Einstein - applies in many ways here.

relevant to posters commenting in this thread

relevant to etta failure to be satisfied with the SIM

less relevant to ability to find in a play by play a sequence in which there is a very bad 3 or 5 minute stretch - if one tossed a coin 1000 times one would almost surely be able to identify a shocking 50 toss segment of that sequence

Actually, I haven't been doing the same thing over and over, or anything close.

The implication is evidence of your ignorance with regard to my team and what's been done. 

So you're implying that my team has had an equal chance to win those games (a coin toss). OK, so why hasn't my team put on such runs to win more games? Just unlucky? 

nowhere is he remotely close to implying that. i think your lack of a basic understanding of simple statistics is really hurting your experience here with HD - it is, once again, leading to an issue where the gap between your expectations and reality are quite far apart. when you combine that with taking the outcomes overly serious, it is no wonder you get so upset. you could, of course, spend some time studying statistics - but in the mean time you may want to just take the game less seriously. getting upset about small statistical samples is going to make this game hell for anybody!

You're completely wrong about every single thing you said. I resent your continued attempts to minimize my intelligence based on your perceptions. You may be educated and skilled in a specific area, but that doesn't mean that you know everything, or indeed anything, about me. This is what led to what happened in the last thread. This is what the admins misunderstood. I'm making it clear now. It's insulting, it's annoying, and it misrepresents reality. The worst thing is that people who have been trained to think that you're the be all end all of knowledge on this board might think it's true.

Who are you to tell someone how seriously to take something? What the heck do you think gives you that right? Presumptuous is the nicest thing I have to say about that.

Now, I have already indicated that I do not wish to speak to you, so why don't you use some common courtesy and respect that by not replying further? The only reason I respond is because you force me to respond to such wild characterizations. 

It must be exhausting, all the work that goes into taking offense to innocuous stuff.

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Posted by headpirate on 2/14/2014 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 2:49:00 AM (view original):
Every game it picks 5 minutes for my team to just stop playing and let the other team win no matter what the rest of the game looks like. Seems like the outcome is predetermined before the game is even played. Is the play by play just window dressing and the result actually determined before it's generated? That's what it seems like. 

Today it rewarded a team for playing an SF at C...really wish I hadn't let someone talk me into continuing to play. I guess I just have to hope I recruit well enough to override all of the sim problems. Not sure if that's possible.

Also, anything personal toward me is getting flagged immediately. Admin misunderstood what happened on the last thread...making sure that doesn't happen this time. There's going to be no question who escalated what...

Assess and evaluate by rating attributes, not by listed position. I have often played a SF at C, because often more ATH/SPD for FCP.

It's insulting that someone thinks I don't know this. And indicative that they haven't looked at my team's games at all.

it says a lot about you that you take that as an insult. you are a new coach. you said the team was rewarded for playing a SF at C. if you meant, the team was rewarded for playing a terrible rebounder at center, you should have said that. but as it stands, it really raises the question if you are aware there are no position ratings in HD. there is no reason to be insulted by this coach's attempt at helping you. well, let me correct that - there is no rational reason to be insulted. there are plenty of irrational reasons.

So now you're calling me irrational because you misunderstood something?

Seems like you misunderstand a lot of things. Don't you ever think "maybe it's me"? 

You sure know how to toe the line, I'll give you that. Maybe you should go into politics with that ability to come right up to the line with all manner of sophistry and false statements about me, my background, my education, basically anything. You seem a lot more interested in me than the opposite. I mostly just wish you'd go away, because it's not as if you're seriously trying to help.

Posted by killbatman on 2/14/2014 2:07:00 PM (view original):
For sure, I'd hate to see him react to a legitimately bad screw job.  Like off the top of my head, going into an NT game and gameplanning around your starting PG's favorable matchup with the opposing PG..and watching your PG get hurt and play 3 minutes, contributing to losing the game.  That's the kind of stuff that makes me want to quit the game when it happens.  Complaining about shooting or rebounding over a 5 minute stretch is a waste of breath, by comparison.

An injury = getting screwed? An injury is just bad luck. But whatever...I'm sure now every effort will be made to equate this to something I've said even though it doesn't. 

i thought you were going to say that you gameplanned around that matchup and then your opponent changed up positions. That's what would annoy me because you should have the ability to specify matchups by player rather than having to change people's positions around. 

Posted by alblack56 on 2/14/2014 3:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 1:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by headpirate on 2/14/2014 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 2:49:00 AM (view original):
Every game it picks 5 minutes for my team to just stop playing and let the other team win no matter what the rest of the game looks like. Seems like the outcome is predetermined before the game is even played. Is the play by play just window dressing and the result actually determined before it's generated? That's what it seems like. 

Today it rewarded a team for playing an SF at C...really wish I hadn't let someone talk me into continuing to play. I guess I just have to hope I recruit well enough to override all of the sim problems. Not sure if that's possible.

Also, anything personal toward me is getting flagged immediately. Admin misunderstood what happened on the last thread...making sure that doesn't happen this time. There's going to be no question who escalated what...

Assess and evaluate by rating attributes, not by listed position. I have often played a SF at C, because often more ATH/SPD for FCP.

It's insulting that someone thinks I don't know this. And indicative that they haven't looked at my team's games at all.

You asked about one game.  Few of us have time to  study multiple games, analyze your actions, and determine your level of knowledge about this game.

Seems many have plenty of time to attack, belittle and insult me here. 

But that aside, if you don't have that time, if you don't know what I've shown I know already, fine...but don't then assume I don't know.

Posted by killbatman on 2/14/2014 2:42:00 PM (view original):
I think what you said about his stats knowledge is relevant.  I do think that's a big part of his frustration.  Although to be fair to etta, it might be more that he isn't used to thinking about this game or basketball in general in that context.  That's a little different than sitting in a college stats class and learning some concepts, which I think he's probably done.

Personally I have a degree in it, so I see little bell curves everywhere I look in real life.  I have to remind myself sometimes that everyone isn't wired like that.

I wish I could report people for just being flat out wrong in their presumptions about me. 

You don't see me going around making wild guesses about what people are like, what their knowledge is, what their biases are, what they struggle with understanding in life or sport, etc... in this thread, do you?

Why do you all think it's ok for you to do that? What makes you think that's appropriate? 

Apparently it's fine for you all to insult me in such a way but if I make presumptions based on your "math-centeredness", we'll say, then I get asymmetrically punished. 

I don't know why people are so concerned about me and the details of my life. I guess I'm just that interesting. This board was pretty dead without me. 

Obsession: it's not just a Calvin Klein fragrance anymore.

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Posted by headpirate on 2/14/2014 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 2:49:00 AM (view original):
Every game it picks 5 minutes for my team to just stop playing and let the other team win no matter what the rest of the game looks like. Seems like the outcome is predetermined before the game is even played. Is the play by play just window dressing and the result actually determined before it's generated? That's what it seems like. 

Today it rewarded a team for playing an SF at C...really wish I hadn't let someone talk me into continuing to play. I guess I just have to hope I recruit well enough to override all of the sim problems. Not sure if that's possible.

Also, anything personal toward me is getting flagged immediately. Admin misunderstood what happened on the last thread...making sure that doesn't happen this time. There's going to be no question who escalated what...

Assess and evaluate by rating attributes, not by listed position. I have often played a SF at C, because often more ATH/SPD for FCP.

It's insulting that someone thinks I don't know this. And indicative that they haven't looked at my team's games at all.

Regular participants of HD and the forums post to get some kind of positive (or sometimes negative) feedback on their observations or questions; I now realize your posts are rants without desire for feedback or edification.

So now it's my fault that you didn't bother to find out whether or not what you were telling me was actually new information or not. You just assumed that I didn't know something that's very basic, saying in so many words that I'm not capable of learning in more than half a season that listed positions barely matter.

After people talked about how bad my team's rebounding is, I'm amazed at the lengths people are going to in order to defend the sim making a 20ish REB "center" effective enough to keep from getting destroyed. This is what I mean about the ambiguity behind terms like "awful", "terrible", etc...seems like those terms might aptly apply here, but no one seems to have used them.

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Posted by alblack56 on 2/14/2014 3:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 1:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by headpirate on 2/14/2014 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 2:49:00 AM (view original):
Every game it picks 5 minutes for my team to just stop playing and let the other team win no matter what the rest of the game looks like. Seems like the outcome is predetermined before the game is even played. Is the play by play just window dressing and the result actually determined before it's generated? That's what it seems like. 

Today it rewarded a team for playing an SF at C...really wish I hadn't let someone talk me into continuing to play. I guess I just have to hope I recruit well enough to override all of the sim problems. Not sure if that's possible.

Also, anything personal toward me is getting flagged immediately. Admin misunderstood what happened on the last thread...making sure that doesn't happen this time. There's going to be no question who escalated what...

Assess and evaluate by rating attributes, not by listed position. I have often played a SF at C, because often more ATH/SPD for FCP.

It's insulting that someone thinks I don't know this. And indicative that they haven't looked at my team's games at all.

You asked about one game.  Few of us have time to  study multiple games, analyze your actions, and determine your level of knowledge about this game.

Seems many have plenty of time to attack, belittle and insult me here. 

But that aside, if you don't have that time, if you don't know what I've shown I know already, fine...but don't then assume I don't know.

Surprisingly, it isn't always about YOU.  I sometimes post basic information about the game for the benefit of other new coaches who might be reading. Not to insult YOU, but to help others. I know other coaches who do the same. 

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 1:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by headpirate on 2/14/2014 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ettaexpress on 2/14/2014 2:49:00 AM (view original):
Every game it picks 5 minutes for my team to just stop playing and let the other team win no matter what the rest of the game looks like. Seems like the outcome is predetermined before the game is even played. Is the play by play just window dressing and the result actually determined before it's generated? That's what it seems like. 

Today it rewarded a team for playing an SF at C...really wish I hadn't let someone talk me into continuing to play. I guess I just have to hope I recruit well enough to override all of the sim problems. Not sure if that's possible.

Also, anything personal toward me is getting flagged immediately. Admin misunderstood what happened on the last thread...making sure that doesn't happen this time. There's going to be no question who escalated what...

Assess and evaluate by rating attributes, not by listed position. I have often played a SF at C, because often more ATH/SPD for FCP.

It's insulting that someone thinks I don't know this. And indicative that they haven't looked at my team's games at all.

Etta, there are PLENTY of people I have seen here for multiple seasons who do not know or realize that. I'm sorry we didn't all realize that you are a deity incarnate come down from Mount Olympus who is not subject to the failings of mere mortals and is incapable of overlooking anything like ordinary folk.

I just looked through the play-by-play and if my calculations are right Marietta out-rebounded Ohio N. 8-7 while Dunlap was on the floor. This means when he was not playing Ohio N. out-rebounded Marietta 17-14. This is may be a slight outlier, but it is not extreme. I agree that you should have out-rebounded them by more when Dunlap was in, but it does not deserve the attention you are giving it.