First off, kudos to Seble for creating the Draft Big Board. That's pretty neat. 

Now an issue with realism, though. Out of the 100 players on the Naismith Draft Big Board at the end of the season, 100 of them are from Big-6 conferences. That's right, not one of the top 100 draftable players is outside of the 72 schools in the Big 6 conferences. 

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/Postseason/DraftBigBoard.aspx

I don't think that is very realistic. This showcases the major talent disparity between the big 6 and everyone else.
In addition, it's not like the mid-majors aren't having some level of success in Naismith. The MWC has 5 teams in the NT and 3 in the PIT and the MAC has 3 in the NT and 3 in the PIT. However, NOBODY is even considered from these conferences.

I coach in the MWC - so selfishly, I like not losing my players. However, I'm just pointing out how strange this is.

In the 2013 draft in real life for example, 11 of the 48 non-foreign players were from non big-6 conferences, including the #1 pick.

I still think that recruit gen / baseline prestige could be tweaked to create less of a disparity between the big 6 and the mid majors. Obviously a disparity makes sense, but I think the gap is a bit too wide.  

 

Also, in the Crum draft, 2 of the 60 players were from non Big 6 schools - the #53 pick and the #60 pick. At least there's 2, but that's still very minimal. 

I remember a time when top-notch DII guys would occasionally get drafted (similar to real life....remember Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman, anyone?) but I haven't seen this in quite some time. It would be nice if that was still possible. 

I agree with this and one of my issues with the draft process currently. Their are tons of players today from D2 and even NBA D-league now that are being drafted in the first round or early 2nd. Definitly non in the top 15 i'd say but if we are looking for realism in this that any chance we can get some D2 guys to sneak on those boards? Or even lets begin with non big-6 D1 guys.

I also do want to mention kudos to seble for the board, but as it looks and reading from the community, we love it so much we want to take it even further. :)

The top guy in the MWC is 96th on the draft big board. He's easy to miss though.


There's no problems with the draft process. Mid-majors just don't get near the amount of draft worthy talent here than in real life.

I agree that the draft process is fine, the big board just shows us how big of a talent disparity there is.

Posted by jetwildcat on 5/22/2014 4:44:00 PM (view original):
I agree that the draft process is fine, the big board just shows us how big of a talent disparity there is.

Agree 100% on the talent disparity

I just looked at Phelan's board just now and there are 9 non-Big 6 draft prospects on there:

#18 and #34 are Air Force (A- Prestige)
#24 and #69 are Gonzaga (A- Prestige)
#57 and #81 are N. Texas (B+ Prestige)
#66 is Colorado St. (B- Prestige)
#83 is Utah (B+ Prestige)
#92 is Boston U. (B- Prestige)

Posted by buddhagamer on 5/22/2014 5:10:00 PM (view original):
I just looked at Phelan's board just now and there are 9 non-Big 6 draft prospects on there:

#18 and #34 are Air Force (A- Prestige)
#24 and #69 are Gonzaga (A- Prestige)
#57 and #81 are N. Texas (B+ Prestige)
#66 is Colorado St. (B- Prestige)
#83 is Utah (B+ Prestige)
#92 is Boston U. (B- Prestige)

Naismith Zero. Perhaps it is cyclical to worlds

Posted by bagger288 on 5/22/2014 2:53:00 PM (view original):
I agree with this and one of my issues with the draft process currently. Their are tons of players today from D2 and even NBA D-league now that are being drafted in the first round or early 2nd. Definitly non in the top 15 i'd say but if we are looking for realism in this that any chance we can get some D2 guys to sneak on those boards? Or even lets begin with non big-6 D1 guys.

I also do want to mention kudos to seble for the board, but as it looks and reading from the community, we love it so much we want to take it even further. :)

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Nobody from Division II gets drafted in real life. Not in the Top 15, outside the Top 15, or in the Second Round. And the D-League happens after the NBA draft. Not sure what you are thinking about.

I know that D-II players used to be drafted when I played a few years ago, haven't seen any for the short time I have played so far.  But, I am not sure what the argument here is....  In real life, it isn't really that common for players outside the big-6 and foreign players to get drafted anyway.  Look at the mock drafts this year...

Near as I can tell the last D2 player drafted was Flip Murray as a 2nd rounder in 2002.

Posted by MyGeneration on 5/22/2014 6:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagger288 on 5/22/2014 2:53:00 PM (view original):
I agree with this and one of my issues with the draft process currently. Their are tons of players today from D2 and even NBA D-league now that are being drafted in the first round or early 2nd. Definitly non in the top 15 i'd say but if we are looking for realism in this that any chance we can get some D2 guys to sneak on those boards? Or even lets begin with non big-6 D1 guys.

I also do want to mention kudos to seble for the board, but as it looks and reading from the community, we love it so much we want to take it even further. :)

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Nobody from Division II gets drafted in real life. Not in the Top 15, outside the Top 15, or in the Second Round. And the D-League happens after the NBA draft. Not sure what you are thinking about.

PJ Hairston projected to be picked around #25 in the draft is from the Texas legends NBA D-league
Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Delaware 87ers projected to be picked around #29 NBA D-League

Those are 2 players projected 1st rounders playing in the NBA D-league... You sir are very wrong... Unfortunatly this year their isn't any good D2 players but it does happen... Do some research before you talk...

Posted by jaymc2007 on 5/22/2014 6:49:00 PM (view original):
I know that D-II players used to be drafted when I played a few years ago, haven't seen any for the short time I have played so far.  But, I am not sure what the argument here is....  In real life, it isn't really that common for players outside the big-6 and foreign players to get drafted anyway.  Look at the mock drafts this year...

I count 7 of last year's NBA draft top 60 were not in Big 6 or foreign....11%?

Posted by MyGeneration on 5/22/2014 6:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagger288 on 5/22/2014 2:53:00 PM (view original):
I agree with this and one of my issues with the draft process currently. Their are tons of players today from D2 and even NBA D-league now that are being drafted in the first round or early 2nd. Definitly non in the top 15 i'd say but if we are looking for realism in this that any chance we can get some D2 guys to sneak on those boards? Or even lets begin with non big-6 D1 guys.

I also do want to mention kudos to seble for the board, but as it looks and reading from the community, we love it so much we want to take it even further. :)

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Nobody from Division II gets drafted in real life. Not in the Top 15, outside the Top 15, or in the Second Round. And the D-League happens after the NBA draft. Not sure what you are thinking about.

At first I would argue with you - but I'm living in the 80's and 90's, where that happened a lot. 
Apparently it's been a long time. Still would be cool for it to happen in DII once in a blue moon in HD

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/07/23/what-happened-to-all-the-great-division-ii-and-iii-players/

Posted by bbunch on 5/22/2014 7:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MyGeneration on 5/22/2014 6:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagger288 on 5/22/2014 2:53:00 PM (view original):
I agree with this and one of my issues with the draft process currently. Their are tons of players today from D2 and even NBA D-league now that are being drafted in the first round or early 2nd. Definitly non in the top 15 i'd say but if we are looking for realism in this that any chance we can get some D2 guys to sneak on those boards? Or even lets begin with non big-6 D1 guys.

I also do want to mention kudos to seble for the board, but as it looks and reading from the community, we love it so much we want to take it even further. :)

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Nobody from Division II gets drafted in real life. Not in the Top 15, outside the Top 15, or in the Second Round. And the D-League happens after the NBA draft. Not sure what you are thinking about.

At first I would argue with you - but I'm living in the 80's and 90's, where that happened a lot. 
Apparently it's been a long time. Still would be cool for it to happen in DII once in a blue moon in HD

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/07/23/what-happened-to-all-the-great-division-ii-and-iii-players/

well he's kind of wrong, D2 is a rarity now be D-league isn't. I think if we have a player break a record (points, reb, blocks) whatever. He should become a potential draftee. The problem with this simulation and many others including the NBA 2K franchise, Your stats don't matter and your number next to the name of the player indicating overall talent does. I was the steal and point leader in 2K and only made 3rd team all-pro an wasn't even in the MVP talks.

I do think this engine takes after the same concept in the player rating is about 80% of what makes up his potential draft position. I personally would rather see it switch to a stat line because their are LOADS of players every season that are not known until they start having that memorable season that brings them into light and earns them some draft stock. Rodney hood is like that who essentially was no one until he transferred and got some good playing time at Duke.