I surf through DII guys at the start of the recruiting cycle and look for guys open to the pull down. My team has consistently been a high prestige DIII squad. Right now we are A+. I've had some good success doing this. So I'm waiting for this guy to "get passed over by the big time programs" and him fall. Then with just a couple of cycles to go, he suddenly is considering a D II school. Now he is a DII prospect except the team that he is now considering is a C- prestige DII team that hasn't been in the NT in 50 seasons. So that's the big time program!?!? I don't understand. Now I've gotten the "you might want to move on" emails and do but this guy and the coach clearly indicated that a big time program or maybe. Also, I did try about $1700 to pull him down which I know is the bare minimum but we were just five cycles from the end and cash was tight. Fail. Did that cause him to go to the suck nut DII school and not drop?

What's the logic that causes that? I just want to learn how that works.

A poor DII school will always take precedence over any DIII school. Can you blame them?   Ignore the 'big time program' Email. They almost all say something to that effect.

Was the DII school a SIM? Sim teams do a last day push and grab some  recruits that haven't been signed.   If it was a human coach, it was just bad luck for him to go for 'your guy' at the last minute. 

Also, a small percentage of players never fall, even when you get the  positive opening message.  If there was only a couple of cycles to go, you can assume that he preferred JUCO over  DIII .

It is New York Tech. Been a SIM for a long time.

Wouldn't you say though that on multiple scouting trips of a potential pull down when your assistant starts saying that his uncle or father sat next to me all game and said you've got a great shot at signing this kid that this means the pull down has been successful and he will consider you with an accompanying scholly offer? That has seemingly always been the case unless he is considering a DII school at the end of that recruiting cycle where you tried the pull down?

Says the same guy who ******* about getting poached...gtfo dude

Really? I guess that WAS you who was doing it. I knew it all along.....

Wrong, but karma's a *****, eh?

Lol. Whatever that means. This wasn't started as a complaint. It is something I had never seen before and thought that someone else either had or had opinions as to why it worked out that way. There's no karma. I am simply looking for understanding.

I'd like to perfect the pull down so I don't end up with more than 1900 wins and no championships because I'm sure that stings a lot more than being close to 1400 wins with no NT banners hanging from the rafters. Apparently it also makes a person real bitter as well.

Posted by dshook30 on 7/3/2014 9:42:00 PM (view original):
It is New York Tech. Been a SIM for a long time.

Wouldn't you say though that on multiple scouting trips of a potential pull down when your assistant starts saying that his uncle or father sat next to me all game and said you've got a great shot at signing this kid that this means the pull down has been successful and he will consider you with an accompanying scholly offer? That has seemingly always been the case unless he is considering a DII school at the end of that recruiting cycle where you tried the pull down?

A pulldown's never successful until he appears on your DIII list.  It doesn't matter how much you've spent. When you've surpassed the recruit's $ threshhold, he'll appear on your list.  Until then, it's open season

As alblack56 said, SimAI teams get to recruit at the end.  They only recruit guys who are undecided.

Any Div-1 or Div-2 school, no matter how bad they are, will be preferred over any Div-3 school .. so a D- Prestige Div-2 is preferred over an A+ Div-3, and a D- Prestige Div-1 is preferred over an A+ Div-2.  It has always been that way.

With pull downs, if you have not put in enough to get them pulled down (ie, he does not give you a backup message any more) then your effort is minimal.

In this case, it seems he gave you a message that you could recruit him (the assistant saying "you've got a great shot") ... but that just means he is open to accepting visits and offers from you.  If he had been "Considering Us" for a status, then the Div-2 SimAI would not have put in effort on him.  It seems that the Div-2 team put in more effort on the same turn he was open to you, but still undecided.  Since their effort was higher than yours (weighted by the Difference in Div-2 prestige over Div-3 prestige), they won.

I understand that Div-3 does not really give you enough cash to really do a bunch of pulldowns, but that is always a possibility when waiting for a for a guy to drop, especially from Div-1 to Div-3.  The turn he goes to Div-2, all the Div-2 SIMs see him .. if he is undecided and not considering a human, they can put in effort in the 2nd SIM recruiting period.

Very good. All of that makes sense. I have always read on here the best way to pull down is with scouting trips since they can't refuse them like visits to home and campus.

So if you overkill with scouting trips by doing $2500 worth you could pull him down somewhere along the way and if you have included a scholarship offer I that same cycle he "may" consider you at that point. Is that a rule or just a possibility. In other words, is there a magical dollar amount for every recruit that says backup option that you will be successful at getting so long as you are the only one putting in the effort at that particular cycle?

Posted by dshook30 on 7/4/2014 9:56:00 AM (view original):
Very good. All of that makes sense. I have always read on here the best way to pull down is with scouting trips since they can't refuse them like visits to home and campus.

So if you overkill with scouting trips by doing $2500 worth you could pull him down somewhere along the way and if you have included a scholarship offer I that same cycle he "may" consider you at that point. Is that a rule or just a possibility. In other words, is there a magical dollar amount for every recruit that says backup option that you will be successful at getting so long as you are the only one putting in the effort at that particular cycle?

Yes, for 98% of the recruits.  There are some, however, that won't drop no-matter-what.  I haven't seen one of those in a long time, so they're a rarity

Posted by dshook30 on 7/4/2014 3:02:00 AM (view original):
Lol. Whatever that means. This wasn't started as a complaint. It is something I had never seen before and thought that someone else either had or had opinions as to why it worked out that way. There's no karma. I am simply looking for understanding.

I'd like to perfect the pull down so I don't end up with more than 1900 wins and no championships because I'm sure that stings a lot more than being close to 1400 wins with no NT banners hanging from the rafters. Apparently it also makes a person real bitter as well.

Or you could just ask/tell WIS to give you the guys you wanted like last time...

I only do that on special occasions. You've got a good memory. Remember that time you won the HD title? Oh yeah.....guess not.

You know had you just taken two of them I wouldn't have caught on. Nice try though. And complaining won me as many championships as cheating has won you.

Posted by alblack56 on 7/4/2014 10:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dshook30 on 7/4/2014 9:56:00 AM (view original):
Very good. All of that makes sense. I have always read on here the best way to pull down is with scouting trips since they can't refuse them like visits to home and campus.

So if you overkill with scouting trips by doing $2500 worth you could pull him down somewhere along the way and if you have included a scholarship offer I that same cycle he "may" consider you at that point. Is that a rule or just a possibility. In other words, is there a magical dollar amount for every recruit that says backup option that you will be successful at getting so long as you are the only one putting in the effort at that particular cycle?

Yes, for 98% of the recruits.  There are some, however, that won't drop no-matter-what.  I haven't seen one of those in a long time, so they're a rarity

Awesome al thanks. Nice to see there are people on here with class.

Posted by dshook30 on 7/4/2014 1:28:00 PM (view original):
I only do that on special occasions. You've got a good memory. Remember that time you won the HD title? Oh yeah.....guess not.

You know had you just taken two of them I wouldn't have caught on. Nice try though. And complaining won me as many championships as cheating has won you.

Remember that time I made the Championship Game?

And if I haven't already said so, that wasn't me that tried to "poach" you, I was just mildly ****** about how bitchmade you got about it...telling the company to give you your guys...and they're the cheaters...