Is it me or is there anyone in the audience that thinks the game needs an overhaul?  I'm talking about every team at D-1 playing man to man or man to man slowdown, while utilizing 90/90 Ath/Def players. Are there too many of these players available? Is it realistic to have at least a handful of 90/90 guys on a team? Maybe some more balance between the man to man, fcp, and zone teams? How about teams with different skills to have some success maybe a spd, bh and periemter combo? What about a great passing team to have some success? It seems like everything is man to man, high ath and high def. Would like to see a change. Game, IMHO has become stagnate.

If it ain't broke don't break it...still the best game on the web

I would like to see a 99 DEF player actually mean something, instead of just being a requirement for elite teams.

Posted by bro_lunardi on 5/16/2015 8:09:00 PM (view original):
I would like to see a 99 DEF player actually mean something, instead of just being a requirement for elite teams.

I really think 90+ defensive players should really be reserved for the best of the best, the truly elite. Same goes with athleticsm. Just seems like something is way off when at least 90% of the coaches recruit for primarily def and ath.

Taking the top 5 defensive players from each of the top 10 teams in D-1 Knight, which is a total of 50 players. There was just 1 player that had below a 90 defensive rating and he was at 89. Why not a team with defensive ratings in the 60s and 70s with very good offensive skills?

i agree, but this is a d1 recruit generation problem, and d1 recruit generation needs some work - which is different than a game overhaul. the core of the sim engine and the way players and teams work, is all pretty good, all things considered.

my suggestion is to send a ticket. and no, you are not alone, from the beginning when seble redid recruit generation, most coaches who commented on it spoke out against it. many of the long time coaches said it would be the downfall of d1 - we probably overstated that - but d1 did shed a full third of the entire d1 population across all worlds! so no, its definitely not just you :) i bug seble about it regularly and he has started to agree lately that it is definitely a significant problem, but i don't know if it is top of his list, and IMO it should be. if you agree the best thing you can do is to send a simple ticket saying you think d1 recruit generation is very broken and should be his #1 priority. hes heard the arguments why, at least a hundred times each - but from too small a group of coaches.

I thought maybe if there was enough interest in this thread and we had this discussion, we could get more coaches to push for them to change the D1 recruit generation. I still think the elite teams should have the same ability to get the elite players, but they shouldn't be all the same team.

Posted by colonels19 on 5/16/2015 7:10:00 PM (view original):
If it ain't broke don't break it...still the best game on the web

+1

I would have agreed with you 20 seasons ago but Seble dialed down the recruits when he came onboard

Posted by mullycj on 5/17/2015 1:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 5/16/2015 7:10:00 PM (view original):
If it ain't broke don't break it...still the best game on the web

+1

I would have agreed with you 20 seasons ago but Seble dialed down the recruits when he came onboard

he dialed down the recruits for most schools but dialed up the recruits for the top schools, which created an environment where the top teams are now not only 90s in everything important, but have all kinds of other crap to boot, and the other teams are not even close to able to compete with them.

Yeah but they only stay for 2 seasons anyway

Going up against a team of 90+ in athleticism and defense is like trying to go through a brick wall. It makes upsetting a good team that much harder, because there really isn't one player that you can target. "Let's see, maybe I'll go after the 92Ath 92Def guy, because he's the weakest defender on the team" LOL!

I'm wondering if this had to do with coaches complaining about the number of upsets that were happening? Of course, with unhappy coaches comes unhappy customers. It seems like talent has won out and good coaching has taken a back seat, if you want to call this game coaching. I guess it's more like manipulating numbers.

good coaching has not taken a back seat at high d1. within the higher levels of talent, the coaching differences are much more meaningful than the team talent levels.

its kind of funny how it happens consistently over time - when the real teams get really really good (as they have been in d1 for ages), people say its basically a coin flip and that coaching is dead. the coin flip days were great to me because i could get my talent level up near the level of the big boys, even on C prestige colorado as a rookie recruiter, which would have been beyond impossible in these days. and then, it was ALL about the coaching, which obviously was good for me personally. but anyway, the point is, when talent is even, all that matters then is the coaching. the guys looking up, are right to say its about talent, because they are so far off to compete. but its traditionally been the guys who are in that top tier of talent who complain most loudly on that front. 

the same is true today. when you look at big d1 teams, occasionally you get these experienced, 860 overall teams, that really do have a talent edge on the other top teams, where talent makes a pretty big difference. but generally the top tier of teams is pretty even talent wise, the top 5-10 or so, without a huge dropoff down to 15ish. meanwhile, if you take two evenly matched teams by talent, one built and coached ok (by the standards of your average A+ prestige d1 coach), one team planned and coached exceptionally, the latter team can easily double if not triple the NT championship winning % of the former, "evenly matched" by talent team. if "ok" really means "****** for an a+ coach" then it could easily be 5x. there is not nearly enough ceiling left, over your average top d1 teams, in the talent arena, to be doubling and tripling teams just on talent, in terms of NT title odds. so, its really all about coaching, at that point.

i guess to me the paradigm is simple. recruiting is the most important thing in the game, until you and everyone you are competing with are really good at it. then, its roughly the least important thing in the game :) then, its all about team planning, team setup, and game planning. obviously recruiting is still really important im just saying it gets harder and harder for that to be the main differentiator anymore, then the other stuff really becomes the difference maker.

Posted by thewizard17 on 5/16/2015 8:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bro_lunardi on 5/16/2015 8:09:00 PM (view original):
I would like to see a 99 DEF player actually mean something, instead of just being a requirement for elite teams.

I really think 90+ defensive players should really be reserved for the best of the best, the truly elite. Same goes with athleticsm. Just seems like something is way off when at least 90% of the coaches recruit for primarily def and ath.

Well when EVERY new coach that asks for help gets directed to the same How to Win manual, what more would you expect?