Pretty clear no in my book...people who haven't FSS'd the state (most likely others in your conference) can benefit from knowing the player is worth targeting without necessarily spending the $ to otherwise obtain the information and/or giving them an edge in battles for that player vs. someone who had to FSS and scout the player. 

Posted by rednu on 6/9/2015 2:46:00 AM (view original):
Pretty clear no in my book...people who haven't FSS'd the state (most likely others in your conference) can benefit from knowing the player is worth targeting without necessarily spending the $ to otherwise obtain the information and/or giving them an edge in battles for that player vs. someone who had to FSS and scout the player. 

good point

I got flagged for doing this a few years ago.  I don't really see the problem still though, especially if you are talking the last boring day of recruiting AND you are posting it on the coaches corner.  Everyone can see that, so everyone does have the same access.

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If they are signed, it's allright. If not, I think you need to remain mute. Simple as that.

Posted by zorzii on 6/9/2015 7:35:00 AM (view original):
If they are signed, it's allright. If not, I think you need to remain mute. Simple as that.

Definitely this

Or, do what you want.  You aren't colluding with any one.  If someone takes offense to it, so what.  It breaks up boring recruiting process and helps weed out the "stupid poachers" messages on the CCs that you'll see so much of.

As long as you aren't saying stuff like, "you should go after xxxxxxxx", I don't see the problem discussing any player.

I see this every now and then.  I often look at the guy and think the other person doesn't know what they are talking about.

Posted by dahsdebater on 6/9/2015 2:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ardthomp on 6/9/2015 9:48:00 AM (view original):
Or, do what you want.  You aren't colluding with any one.  If someone takes offense to it, so what.  It breaks up boring recruiting process and helps weed out the "stupid poachers" messages on the CCs that you'll see so much of.

As long as you aren't saying stuff like, "you should go after xxxxxxxx", I don't see the problem discussing any player.

Support defines it as colluding, and you can potentially get suspended or banned...  Not sure "ignore the rules if you disagree with them, do what you want" is a great approach.

Link, please?

Posted by dahsdebater on 6/9/2015 2:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ardthomp on 6/9/2015 9:48:00 AM (view original):
Or, do what you want.  You aren't colluding with any one.  If someone takes offense to it, so what.  It breaks up boring recruiting process and helps weed out the "stupid poachers" messages on the CCs that you'll see so much of.

As long as you aren't saying stuff like, "you should go after xxxxxxxx", I don't see the problem discussing any player.

Support defines it as colluding, and you can potentially get suspended or banned...  Not sure "ignore the rules if you disagree with them, do what you want" is a great approach.

Has anyone actually ever been banned from WIS?  

I don't see this in any rules, but I could be missing it or not looking in the proper place.

I also went to open a ticket and searched for collusion and there is nothing in the Knowledgebase. 

If anyone has this rule in writing, please shoot it over so we can have a definitive answer, in writing.

Posted by ardthomp on 6/9/2015 2:44:00 PM (view original):
I don't see this in any rules, but I could be missing it or not looking in the proper place.

I also went to open a ticket and searched for collusion and there is nothing in the Knowledgebase. 

If anyone has this rule in writing, please shoot it over so we can have a definitive answer, in writing.

ardthomp, the problem here is that what is written is highly ambiguous - so instead, we have to go by the decisions seble has actually made, over time, and the comments hes made with those decisions. no lawyer or even a person with contract experience would look at the rules and say, what is discussed in this thread, is clearly collusion. most would probably argue its not. however, thats unfortunately not particularly relevant (if seble gave out bans, instead of warnings, for collusion, it might be relevant, but that isn't the case).

when seble was new, this would not be considered collusion - his stance was that anything posted on the CC was collusion. that doesn't hold up to any reasonable scrutiny so by a couple years in he had completely reversed that position. as it stands today, he would consider this collusion, because as the first responder pointed out, you are potentially sharing FSS info with others (he has actually weighed on this exact issue at some point).

i always enjoy discussions like this, i don't know, maybe because there is something wrong with me. anyway, here is another scenario (its a real scenario that i was confronted with recently).

imagine you are coaching in a state with another school, and you are an A+ elite who always recruits elite players, and he is about a C prestige school and has been struggling there for ages. suppose there is a sim recruited player in state, like a 1 star or something, who is clearly below your level, but would be a very nice pickup for that C school. also, you know this guy does use FSS. is it ok to send him a sitemail a day or so into recruiting, to encourage him to target the player? maybe you can't be 100% positive the coach scouted the state, but if thats the reason one thinks this scenario is collusion, would it still be collusion if you were 100% positive he had scouted?

The scenario you describe would suggest you are wondering: "when does mentoring become collusion?"