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No offense to anyone, but I don't understand why so many people feel it necessary to play games (any games, not just WIS) while at work.
I'm an incredibly busy person myself, working far more than a normal work week. I could log on at work because we do not have any such monitoring or blocking software and no one would care - but I don't, because to be honest I have too much work to do. Evidently not everyone's schedule is so busy, but even if I wasn't so swamped all the time, I still wouldn't play games at work, because while I enjoy the games and like having fun as much as anyone, my background is that work is time to be productive, not play games. Again, no offense to anyone else.
So please forgive me if I am not overly sympathetic to this situation, but if I had that much free time to play WIS at work, I'd be asking my employer for a raise since I would be so productive as to get my work done and have that much time left over.
haha, you're a grade A sucker.
Please explain your comment.
Just the whole "if I ran out of work to do then I'd find my boss and ask for more work" type of song that you're singing. I pretty much agree with the whole notion of fair compensation and time resource management, but were you draw the line seems almost naïvely idealistic. I don't know where you work or what you do, and it may be different in your case, but if you knew how most companies viewed labor and human capital, then you might not owe them as much as you think that you do. Though, given your comments in general, I'd be willing to bet we probably disagree on several topics.
Of course I would ask for more work if I run out of work and I'm still being paid to work. Doing anything less isn't giving my full effort.
I am fully cognizant of how many companies view labor and human capital. This is why I don't tolerate things such as those mentioned before, where a worker isn't being paid for work they perform.
A worker gets paid by their employer at the agreed upon compensation for performing the work. I have a problem with employers who don't pay when they should or the amount they agreed to, and I also have a problem with employees who don't perform the work they agreed to perform (i.e. taking time to play games when they should be working).
I'm fine with disagreeing or agreeing with you, or anyone. We all have the right to believe what we wish.
So, if you were getting paid $7.75 per hour to scrub sh*t out of toilets and you ran out of toilets, you'd rush to find your boss so he could show you more bathrooms??? I'd get it if somebody were getting paid $20 per toilet, but that's not the world we live in, is it???
It's also just as naïvely idealistic to claim that a person scrubbing sh*t out of toilets for $7.75 per hour 'agreed upon' that price with their employer.
Which is just a few reasons why this notion of production for productions sake rings very hollow to the majority of people.
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And not to be cynical, but stuff precisely like "Of course I would ask for more work if I run out of work and I'm still being paid to work. Doing anything less isn't giving my full effort" is why I called you grade A sucker. Giving your 100% best at all times is something only kids playing little league are expected to believe in.
I would have to be incredibly desperate to take a job scrubbing toilets for such a low wage. In fact, no one should be working for such low wages - they should not exist. The federal minimum wage in America should be much higher than it currently is based upon inflation alone. That's another issue, but is true regardless.
To your pointed question, I ask one of my own: What is the alternative? If I do not ask for more work, either A. the work is finished and I will not be paid any further, or B. more work exists and I am simply being lazy by being unwilling to perform it. Assuming I want to get paid for more than the work I've already done to that point (a reasonable conclusion if in fact the wages were so low), A is unacceptable. No matter the work, B is unacceptable. Therefore I repeat: What is the alternative?
No, we don't live in a world where people typically get paid $20 per toilet (though perhaps they should be - again, another discussion). However, you state this as though it has any bearing on the matter at hand when it does not. The work is the work, regardless of the rate of pay. I always perform to the best of my ability at any given time regardless of the compensation. Doing less is shameful laziness and an attempt to mask it with the excuse complaint about compensation. If I am not happy with the compensation, I'll try to negotiate to make it better. If that doesn't work, I will find a different job.
It's not naive or idealistic to say someone agreed upon that price - it is simple fact, or they would not be performing the work in exchange for that compensation. They could negotiate a better rate, or failing that, reject the job altogether. This is not to say I agree with such a low form of compensation - see my statement above about minimum wage.
When I agree to perform a job for compensation, I agree to be productive for production's sake. If it "rings hollow" to me, I should not take the job, and I should let someone who is willing to give it their all have it instead.
No one is entitled to a job, much less a good job. If you are going to do the work, do it to the best of your ability all the time.
I'm very reasonable on this. If someone who works for me told me they're deliberately not working very hard because of X excuse, I would ask what it would take to get them to work to full capacity. If it's doable, I'll make it happen and ask them to fulfill their end of the deal by working to full capacity. If it's not doable, I'll tell them what I can get them and ask them to work to capacity for that. If they won't agree, I'll ask them to resign so I can find someone who will.
Your statement here: Giving your 100% best at all times is something only kids playing little league are expected to believe in.
THAT attitude is exactly why America is seen as a joke by many other cultures and countries. It's why other modern countries are overtaking America in many ways. While they are putting forth their best effort, Americans are making excuses and acting like only children should believe in giving the best effort.
I'm not saying that to be mean or anything of the sort - it is simple fact. The work ethic in America - not that of everyone, but of many - is abysmal when compared to that of others.