I think a human coach is always preferable to a SIM coach.  In any conference at any level ... If a paying coach applies for a open job they should get that job.   If more then 1 coach applies for the same position ... the game awards the position to the most qualified.  When you are trying to fill a mid major conference up with coaches ... it is discouraging to receive the "I wanted to be in your conference but I was turned down" messages on the conference's forum.

Posted by palyak on 11/6/2015 3:44:00 PM (view original):
I think a human coach is always preferable to a SIM coach.  In any conference at any level ... If a paying coach applies for a open job they should get that job.   If more then 1 coach applies for the same position ... the game awards the position to the most qualified.  When you are trying to fill a mid major conference up with coaches ... it is discouraging to receive the "I wanted to be in your conference but I was turned down" messages on the conference's forum.

So you're saying that a brand new user could go 6-21 in their first season and immediately be eligible to apply for an A+ UNC?  Because that's what you're saying with "a human is always preferable to a sim" and "In any conference at any level...If a paying coach applies for an open job they should get that job"

There could be a reasonable discussion to be had about whether or not job requirements are too strict and ways to adjust that, but coming out and saying that any human should be eligible for any empty school is so ridiculous that it is not the way to start that conversation.

At least it should discourage any more talk about further dilution of worlds, if the race to the elites is over after one season it loses a lot of its appeal.

Posted by acn24 on 11/6/2015 4:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by palyak on 11/6/2015 3:44:00 PM (view original):
I think a human coach is always preferable to a SIM coach.  In any conference at any level ... If a paying coach applies for a open job they should get that job.   If more then 1 coach applies for the same position ... the game awards the position to the most qualified.  When you are trying to fill a mid major conference up with coaches ... it is discouraging to receive the "I wanted to be in your conference but I was turned down" messages on the conference's forum.

So you're saying that a brand new user could go 6-21 in their first season and immediately be eligible to apply for an A+ UNC?  Because that's what you're saying with "a human is always preferable to a sim" and "In any conference at any level...If a paying coach applies for an open job they should get that job"

There could be a reasonable discussion to be had about whether or not job requirements are too strict and ways to adjust that, but coming out and saying that any human should be eligible for any empty school is so ridiculous that it is not the way to start that conversation.

At least it should discourage any more talk about further dilution of worlds, if the race to the elites is over after one season it loses a lot of its appeal.

If the only coach interested in A+ UNC is a 1st year division III coach with a 6-20 record then he should get it.  I cannot believe that he would ever be the only coach interested.  If this was the rule ... I do believe that the firing criteria would need to be tighten quite a bit to get bad hires out of the job quicker.  As a compromise I would not mind the current "earn the promotion to the next level" that we have.  Once you qualify to coach at D1 then you should be able to go for any job.

Posted by palyak on 11/6/2015 10:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by acn24 on 11/6/2015 4:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by palyak on 11/6/2015 3:44:00 PM (view original):
I think a human coach is always preferable to a SIM coach.  In any conference at any level ... If a paying coach applies for a open job they should get that job.   If more then 1 coach applies for the same position ... the game awards the position to the most qualified.  When you are trying to fill a mid major conference up with coaches ... it is discouraging to receive the "I wanted to be in your conference but I was turned down" messages on the conference's forum.

So you're saying that a brand new user could go 6-21 in their first season and immediately be eligible to apply for an A+ UNC?  Because that's what you're saying with "a human is always preferable to a sim" and "In any conference at any level...If a paying coach applies for an open job they should get that job"

There could be a reasonable discussion to be had about whether or not job requirements are too strict and ways to adjust that, but coming out and saying that any human should be eligible for any empty school is so ridiculous that it is not the way to start that conversation.

At least it should discourage any more talk about further dilution of worlds, if the race to the elites is over after one season it loses a lot of its appeal.

If the only coach interested in A+ UNC is a 1st year division III coach with a 6-20 record then he should get it.  I cannot believe that he would ever be the only coach interested.  If this was the rule ... I do believe that the firing criteria would need to be tighten quite a bit to get bad hires out of the job quicker.  As a compromise I would not mind the current "earn the promotion to the next level" that we have.  Once you qualify to coach at D1 then you should be able to go for any job.

This is ridiculous. Human coaches should not be rewarded for crappy seasons. If you're able to get to D1 -- and high D1 -- you should have to earn it. And this is from someone fighting to get his first D1 job.

I disagree altogether.

1) Getting from DIII to DII, should be tougher. You need to invest in your DIII team to land a A prestige team... Right now, it's too easy.

2) The system is not that bad, there are only minor mistakes. Once you qualify for some sort of job, even if you change jobs, you should be able to continue qualifying for these jobs.

3) Make the process a little bit easier at D1. If you have a C low end D1 team, you could qualify for say a C mid-major team on the decline. A C- big six team on the decline. Right now, I think you need one letter over to qualify.

4) Firing needs to happen in Big Six teams. And it needs to happen at mid-major teams... Make some ground rules to get fired. At the Big Six... I'd say 8 seasons without a NT appearance... and you are gone. At the Mid-major, eight season without post-season play.

Posted by zorzii on 11/7/2015 11:02:00 AM (view original):
I disagree altogether.

1) Getting from DIII to DII, should be tougher. You need to invest in your DIII team to land a A prestige team... Right now, it's too easy.

2) The system is not that bad, there are only minor mistakes. Once you qualify for some sort of job, even if you change jobs, you should be able to continue qualifying for these jobs.

3) Make the process a little bit easier at D1. If you have a C low end D1 team, you could qualify for say a C mid-major team on the decline. A C- big six team on the decline. Right now, I think you need one letter over to qualify.

4) Firing needs to happen in Big Six teams. And it needs to happen at mid-major teams... Make some ground rules to get fired. At the Big Six... I'd say 8 seasons without a NT appearance... and you are gone. At the Mid-major, eight season without post-season play.

Not to completely change the subject of this thread, but I agree, specifically with #4. I'd love to get to a Big Six school one day, but it almost feels like the Big Six jobs are like the Supreme Court -- you only leave the school when you leave that world, or the game altogether. And since we're all talking about realism and making the game more like real life college basketball, big program firings are a huge part of it.

Is there a minimum amount of seasons one needs to coach to become eligible for ANY DI job?

The process to get a better job at D1 is useless. 7 seasons of success and NT appearances is meaningless. Just keep shoveling money into their game and surely after a couple hundred they will let you play at a notable school.

Firing needs to happen at D-1 schools AND it needs to be stronger than not making the NT in 8 seasons. You need like 5 seasons to build the program and then if you have 3 losing seasons in a row, 4 losers in 5 seasons, finish in the bottom 3rd of the conference 4 seasons in a row etc. 

Honestly I think we need career limits too, like 50 years. Then you get a reset, maybe you get to start at a C or worse d-1 program with your second life. But there has to be some change in major conferences.

Posted by pallas on 11/7/2015 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 11/7/2015 11:02:00 AM (view original):
I disagree altogether.

1) Getting from DIII to DII, should be tougher. You need to invest in your DIII team to land a A prestige team... Right now, it's too easy.

2) The system is not that bad, there are only minor mistakes. Once you qualify for some sort of job, even if you change jobs, you should be able to continue qualifying for these jobs.

3) Make the process a little bit easier at D1. If you have a C low end D1 team, you could qualify for say a C mid-major team on the decline. A C- big six team on the decline. Right now, I think you need one letter over to qualify.

4) Firing needs to happen in Big Six teams. And it needs to happen at mid-major teams... Make some ground rules to get fired. At the Big Six... I'd say 8 seasons without a NT appearance... and you are gone. At the Mid-major, eight season without post-season play.

Not to completely change the subject of this thread, but I agree, specifically with #4. I'd love to get to a Big Six school one day, but it almost feels like the Big Six jobs are like the Supreme Court -- you only leave the school when you leave that world, or the game altogether. And since we're all talking about realism and making the game more like real life college basketball, big program firings are a huge part of it.

I agree with the statement that Big 6 coaches should get fired much more often, and it should be somewhat based on baseline prestige. if you have an A+ baseline program, and you can't make the NT at least half the time, you should get fired. The best way to land a top job, if you are a really good coach is to check at 2 AM and see if someone forgot to renew, and apply right away.