If HD ever releases new worlds I'll be back in a second. Not sure if I'm the only one but I've experienced one "race to the elites" with Knight and it was the most fun I've ever had with HD.

I would be interested in seeing world's with slightly different rules....something like a world with no EE and no baseline prestige in D1, or maybe a world that was just D1 but had the modern conferences or a world without FULLcourt press......or a world that had a 50 season limit

Posted by the0nlyis on 1/9/2016 7:42:00 PM (view original):
On the topic of coaching populations I think there is something that is something to look at when comparing populations.

1x worlds are still able to attract coaches who'd rather coach 2x worlds since they have no other option, they don't have time constraints like 1x coaches wanting more worlds that cannot coach 2x worlds due to time ability.

I see it's a very unpopular opinion, but I'm sticking with it.  I think it's really just the 1x coaches not wanting to lose the coaches who'd rather be in the 2x world that are saying it's a horrible idea.  If this was about adding another 1x world I think there would be very little support at all because they're already a bunch of 1x worlds, while there is some support for the 2x worlds.

Pretty much everyone saying no falls into these categories:

doesn't want the population of their own 1x world
or
think the reason for adding another world would for coaches to race to high D1

I'll say it again I think if the situation was reversed and we had 7 2x worlds and 3 1x worlds and were discussing adding a 1x world the people would be complaining about how they can't join 2x worlds if they want to add more worlds.  Some of us just hate the 1x worlds because some of us don't like spending 6 months to get 1 class to graduate.

You don't like spending 6 months to get a class to graduate and that's why you want another 2x day world.  Hey, that's wonderful!  Great even!  But take off your blinders for a second, think rationally, and give an honest answer on how many people want a new 2x world because of your criticisms about class graduating time, and how many people want a new world so they have a shot at an elite school.  The numbers wouldn't even be close and if you've been paying as much attention to this game as it appears you have, you know that to be true.

You have some well written ideas and numbers to back up your proposal, but the longer this goes, the more it looks like you want this new world for your own personal agenda, nothing more, nothing less.  At this point in the life of HD, it is simply a bad idea to open another world.  Again, if you want a MAJOR change to the number of worlds, then contraction of existing worlds is a far better idea than further dilution of coaches.

The real answer to this issue is more and more and more advertising for the game.  Get a shitload of new coaches in here, get them to stay, and then another 2x world would probably be feasible.  Until there is a huge influx of new blood though, arguing another world is really a moot point.

If you're really "jones"-ing that badly for another 2x team, just make yourself an alternate ID and join one of the existing worlds.  Stay 1000 miles away from your current school in that world and you still fall within HD's locality rules.  Simple enough.

Posted by guyo26 on 1/8/2016 7:47:00 PM (view original):
When was the most recent world added?  I suppose I could look at number of seasons in the world I play in, but does someone know?  (I know the emails outside of the WIS website refer to world 8 or world 10, but I never read those lol).

I don't forsee them adding a new world ever just based on population.  They'd have to MASSIVELY up the amount of human coaches to do that I think, and I don't forsee that ever happening.

But in such a magical world (where I win PowerBall, buy WIS from Fox and staff it and market the games) I'd like MORE 2x worlds :)  I've been dropping 1 a day worlds, but keeping the 2x

Exactly

Posted by dcy0827 on 1/10/2016 3:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 1/9/2016 7:42:00 PM (view original):
On the topic of coaching populations I think there is something that is something to look at when comparing populations.

1x worlds are still able to attract coaches who'd rather coach 2x worlds since they have no other option, they don't have time constraints like 1x coaches wanting more worlds that cannot coach 2x worlds due to time ability.

I see it's a very unpopular opinion, but I'm sticking with it.  I think it's really just the 1x coaches not wanting to lose the coaches who'd rather be in the 2x world that are saying it's a horrible idea.  If this was about adding another 1x world I think there would be very little support at all because they're already a bunch of 1x worlds, while there is some support for the 2x worlds.

Pretty much everyone saying no falls into these categories:

doesn't want the population of their own 1x world
or
think the reason for adding another world would for coaches to race to high D1

I'll say it again I think if the situation was reversed and we had 7 2x worlds and 3 1x worlds and were discussing adding a 1x world the people would be complaining about how they can't join 2x worlds if they want to add more worlds.  Some of us just hate the 1x worlds because some of us don't like spending 6 months to get 1 class to graduate.

You don't like spending 6 months to get a class to graduate and that's why you want another 2x day world.  Hey, that's wonderful!  Great even!  But take off your blinders for a second, think rationally, and give an honest answer on how many people want a new 2x world because of your criticisms about class graduating time, and how many people want a new world so they have a shot at an elite school.  The numbers wouldn't even be close and if you've been paying as much attention to this game as it appears you have, you know that to be true.

You have some well written ideas and numbers to back up your proposal, but the longer this goes, the more it looks like you want this new world for your own personal agenda, nothing more, nothing less.  At this point in the life of HD, it is simply a bad idea to open another world.  Again, if you want a MAJOR change to the number of worlds, then contraction of existing worlds is a far better idea than further dilution of coaches.

The real answer to this issue is more and more and more advertising for the game.  Get a shitload of new coaches in here, get them to stay, and then another 2x world would probably be feasible.  Until there is a huge influx of new blood though, arguing another world is really a moot point.

If you're really "jones"-ing that badly for another 2x team, just make yourself an alternate ID and join one of the existing worlds.  Stay 1000 miles away from your current school in that world and you still fall within HD's locality rules.  Simple enough.

I agree with only but I also agree with you. Personally I want more 2x worlds but I also think the game is better served by first attracting a lot more new blood and figuring out how to retain new coaches. After that happens, then I think it makes more sense to add another world.

Posted by dcy0827 on 1/10/2016 3:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 1/9/2016 7:42:00 PM (view original):
On the topic of coaching populations I think there is something that is something to look at when comparing populations.

1x worlds are still able to attract coaches who'd rather coach 2x worlds since they have no other option, they don't have time constraints like 1x coaches wanting more worlds that cannot coach 2x worlds due to time ability.

I see it's a very unpopular opinion, but I'm sticking with it.  I think it's really just the 1x coaches not wanting to lose the coaches who'd rather be in the 2x world that are saying it's a horrible idea.  If this was about adding another 1x world I think there would be very little support at all because they're already a bunch of 1x worlds, while there is some support for the 2x worlds.

Pretty much everyone saying no falls into these categories:

doesn't want the population of their own 1x world
or
think the reason for adding another world would for coaches to race to high D1

I'll say it again I think if the situation was reversed and we had 7 2x worlds and 3 1x worlds and were discussing adding a 1x world the people would be complaining about how they can't join 2x worlds if they want to add more worlds.  Some of us just hate the 1x worlds because some of us don't like spending 6 months to get 1 class to graduate.

You don't like spending 6 months to get a class to graduate and that's why you want another 2x day world.  Hey, that's wonderful!  Great even!  But take off your blinders for a second, think rationally, and give an honest answer on how many people want a new 2x world because of your criticisms about class graduating time, and how many people want a new world so they have a shot at an elite school.  The numbers wouldn't even be close and if you've been paying as much attention to this game as it appears you have, you know that to be true.

You have some well written ideas and numbers to back up your proposal, but the longer this goes, the more it looks like you want this new world for your own personal agenda, nothing more, nothing less.  At this point in the life of HD, it is simply a bad idea to open another world.  Again, if you want a MAJOR change to the number of worlds, then contraction of existing worlds is a far better idea than further dilution of coaches.

The real answer to this issue is more and more and more advertising for the game.  Get a shitload of new coaches in here, get them to stay, and then another 2x world would probably be feasible.  Until there is a huge influx of new blood though, arguing another world is really a moot point.

If you're really "jones"-ing that badly for another 2x team, just make yourself an alternate ID and join one of the existing worlds.  Stay 1000 miles away from your current school in that world and you still fall within HD's locality rules.  Simple enough.

Yes personal gain of attracting new coaches and making the game better for new coaches as well as coaches who would enjoy having new blood.

Already doubled on the 2x for that.

Maybe if new coaches didn't have to wait 6 months to get their first class to graduate maybe they would stick around, So basically if you don't take over a good team you are destined to suck for 3-4 seasons, I totally see why we are attracting so many new coaches....

I mean if that's a big reason why people would want a new 2x worlds then it's still a valid reason if you, me, and most other people think it's not a good one.  There is still interest.

Honest question:  are the 2x worlds full?  The only world I play in is a 1x world.  Thanks.

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/10/2016 7:05:00 PM (view original):
Honest question:  are the 2x worlds full?  The only world I play in is a 1x world.  Thanks.

No, not even close.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/10/2016 9:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/10/2016 7:05:00 PM (view original):
Honest question:  are the 2x worlds full?  The only world I play in is a 1x world.  Thanks.

No, not even close.

Exactly.  Ghost towns.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 1/10/2016 10:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/10/2016 9:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/10/2016 7:05:00 PM (view original):
Honest question:  are the 2x worlds full?  The only world I play in is a 1x world.  Thanks.

No, not even close.

Exactly.  Ghost towns.

2x worlds have the same population numbers.

If you take out the coaches in the 1x worlds that prefer 2x worlds and just have 1x since there is nothing else I bet population in higher in the 1x worlds.

Here we go these numbers are from billy over the summer, i don't have time atm to gather updated numbers, but I can tomorrow:

Total World Population Most-Least

World	Total
1	402
8	374
10	356
6	354
2	353
9	346
3	335
4	333
5	331
7	311

So the 2x worlds come in at 2nd, 3rd, and 6th.  Yes what ghost towns.


At D1 the 2x worlds are the most populated as well coming in at 1st 2nd and 4th.

At D2 the 2x worlds are at 2nd, 5th, 7th

At D3 the 2x worlds are a bit weaker at 4th, 5th, 9th.

Please tell me how those are ghost towns?

I will admit however that the 2x worlds at least at D3 are much weaker from a talent standpoint.  But they are for sure not ghost towns, have more coaches, and don't have coaches in the world just because they're not any more 2x worlds like how 2x coaches that can join 1x and just be fed up with the speed.

Take away the coaches that prefer 2x that are in 1x worlds and I think the 2x worlds populations are even better.

Now this could all change when I find the current numbers tomorrow, but I don't think it changes much.

:)

Sorry....I was specifically referring to D3.  

My first 2x world was Tark and I took SUNY Potsdam, which is situated in the FAR NW corner of NY (basically nowhere near the majority of NY recruits).  In 4 seasons there, I recruited a total of ONE kid from ME, NY, VT, NH, RI, MA, PA, and NJ.  Why?  Because I paid attention and knew how to recruit so I was able to go to the more remote parts of the country and nab guys with ease.  In the more populated D3 worlds with more top tier coaches you just can't do that...at least without running into another coach or two.  And specifically, I'm referring to Wooden (even though this world has died down a bit) and Rupp (before D3 emptied out).  Oh, and in those 4 seasons that Tark team had an E8 and 2 FF runs.  

What I have noticed since joining the 2x worlds is they kind of have a cult following.  When I started looking at top programs at all 3 levels there were tons of A+ prestige programs with coaches I'd never heard of before.  When I clicked on their profiles I see most only play 2x worlds.  But overall, I don't think there's any "need" to create more worlds.  Gillispie's #s have also shown a gradual decline in overall user population over the years.

Definitely a divide. I noticed that too when I dabbled in one a day worlds. I wonder how many coaches truly cross over and have both consistently.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 1/10/2016 10:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/10/2016 9:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/10/2016 7:05:00 PM (view original):
Honest question:  are the 2x worlds full?  The only world I play in is a 1x world.  Thanks.

No, not even close.

Exactly.  Ghost towns.

Then there doesn't seem to be any possibility or justification for more worlds.  With tons of openings already it makes no sense to create more sim teams.

Isn't world 1 Naismith? 8 Tarkanian and 10 Phelan?