The story of a team that drives me nuts Topic

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/standings/Default.aspx

I like that team, I like what I have done. Yet, I lose games so often I should not lose, I battle for a PIT spot while I think I could battle for the NT. Maybe, I need to reevaluate everything.

In this team, I recruited one four stars PF, one three stars SG, and other one and two stars players... My defense, my athleticism seem pretty good... Yet, I lose. And I am thinking, either the player I got won't cut it, or I am a bad coach or both.

Any tips to help me jump to the PIT this season?
1/10/2016 10:03 AM
Wrong link, but I know what team you are talking about. [la salle tark]

And also remember rankings don't mean to much, I have the #23 C recruit on my team, but I got him because the big schools didnt want him because he wasn't close to being the #23 C and isn't even the best player on my team.

It's all because of bh/pas and offense.  You have 1 guy with decent bh/pas that is not a freshmen.  As well as no perimeter shooters.  Ward should be 0 as well as Piper(-1) Williams could probably get away with -1 or even 0 since you are in need of 3 point shooting.  You focus way to much on ath/def(were opposites lol) sacrificing huge offensive ability as well as running something I think hurts the way you recruit, a press defense would help with the ath/def adv you have over the majority of teams you play, would cause turnovers and increase the # of foul shots you take helping ease the pain of no 3 shooting.

The way you schedule hasn't helped, personally I refuse to play Big 6 teams in non conf(of course except when I forgot to schedule).  They usually are games you can never really expect to win and now you've already racked up 3 losses.  If you are going to play humans, play ones from low end/mid majors with an easy conference record you think you can beat.  They will usually end up winning there easy conf and make you look good as they will grab 20+ wins mostly.
1/10/2016 10:12 AM
What 0nly said.. Stars don't mean squat.

All that matters in the game when the SIM is run is attributes at the time of the game. Stars and Rankings of players do not take into account potential.

So, all that matters are the attributes of the guys you have on the floor.

1/10/2016 10:21 AM
Actually, that LaSalle team is pretty good for A10.  In scheduling, to get your RPI better, you need to worry about how many games your opponents are going to win.  You want to project teams that are going to be in a weak conference and get lots of wins in conference to schedule.

One recommendation in the scheduling screen is sort on 'Overall Record', then look at each team for a low DEF score.  I would like to find a team with less than 50 DEF and more than 16 wins (in Div-2 .. that is 65 for Div-1 and 45 for Div-3).  Specifically for Sim AI teams with lots of wins .. look at the roster makeup and how many are seniors.  If more than 3-4 seniors on a Sim AI team, I don't schedule them, as tehy will likely not be as good next season.  The goal in scheduling is to schedule only games you think you have a good chance to win AND that team that will get at least 15 wins for the upcoming season.

BTW .. SOS has nothing to do with how good your opponents actually are.  SOS is simply this (from the FAQ):

A: SOS stands for strength of schedule. It's calculated as 67% opponents' winning percentage (OWP) and 33% opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP), the same ratio as in the RPI formula.

So, 67% of SOS is how many wins your opponent has.  33% is how many wins HIS opponents have.


And this is RPI:

A: The basic formula is 25% team winning percentage (WP), 50% opponents' average winning percentage (OWP), and 25% opponents' opponents' average winning percentage (OOWP). When calculating winning percentage (WP), the RPI weights a road win as 1.4 x a normal win, a home loss as 1.4 x a normal loss, a road loss as 0.6 x a normal loss and a home win as 0.6 x a normal win - neutral site games are not adjusted (weighted at 1.0).


1/10/2016 10:54 AM (edited)
So, the LaSalle wins against teams like Delware or Alcorn St., and other schools with 0,1, or 2 wins mean almost nothing to RPI/SOS.  While the win against Columbia is worth lots.
1/10/2016 10:58 AM
Posted by hughesjr on 1/10/2016 10:58:00 AM (view original):
So, the LaSalle wins against teams like Delware or Alcorn St., and other schools with 0,1, or 2 wins mean almost nothing to RPI/SOS.  While the win against Columbia is worth lots.
it is, but i like to say it like this:
lasalle PLAYING delaware state is worth almost 0, while playing coumbia is worth a lot.

winning and losing either game, it doesn't matter, if you go 1-0, could be 1-0 either way and it is what it is (from an rpi standpoint). just PLAYING them gives you all the credit.
1/12/2016 4:17 PM
Posted by hughesjr on 1/10/2016 10:54:00 AM (view original):
Actually, that LaSalle team is pretty good for A10.  In scheduling, to get your RPI better, you need to worry about how many games your opponents are going to win.  You want to project teams that are going to be in a weak conference and get lots of wins in conference to schedule.

One recommendation in the scheduling screen is sort on 'Overall Record', then look at each team for a low DEF score.  I would like to find a team with less than 50 DEF and more than 16 wins (in Div-2 .. that is 65 for Div-1 and 45 for Div-3).  Specifically for Sim AI teams with lots of wins .. look at the roster makeup and how many are seniors.  If more than 3-4 seniors on a Sim AI team, I don't schedule them, as tehy will likely not be as good next season.  The goal in scheduling is to schedule only games you think you have a good chance to win AND that team that will get at least 15 wins for the upcoming season.

BTW .. SOS has nothing to do with how good your opponents actually are.  SOS is simply this (from the FAQ):

A: SOS stands for strength of schedule. It's calculated as 67% opponents' winning percentage (OWP) and 33% opponents' opponents' winning percentage (OOWP), the same ratio as in the RPI formula.

So, 67% of SOS is how many wins your opponent has.  33% is how many wins HIS opponents have.


And this is RPI:

A: The basic formula is 25% team winning percentage (WP), 50% opponents' average winning percentage (OWP), and 25% opponents' opponents' average winning percentage (OOWP). When calculating winning percentage (WP), the RPI weights a road win as 1.4 x a normal win, a home loss as 1.4 x a normal loss, a road loss as 0.6 x a normal loss and a home win as 0.6 x a normal win - neutral site games are not adjusted (weighted at 1.0).


Thanks, I did not know Hughes.
1/12/2016 7:25 PM
i agree about scheduling, but the0nlyis brings up your bigger issue. at a quick glance, your offense is virtually nonexistent. it's really unbalanced and really easy to game plan against. you have no outside shooting game and no quality scoring guards. you have a few high lp guys, but only one with good ath, and your team as a whole is a pretty average free throw shooting team. so where would you expect your scoring to come from? ath/def are critical and, in my experience, a really top defense alone can get you an occasional upset playing slowdown...but if you can't score your ceiling is always going to limited.

you're not going to be able to get high spd/per/bh guards that also play great defense at la salle (at least not right now) but you can get guys who are high spd/per/bh with bad defense....and they can score in bunches off the bench. you can also find low per guards with high spd/bh/def who can score in other ways. 
1/12/2016 11:04 PM
I figured I need to do something for my offense. The first season I went to the PIT, did the final four, I had scoring coming from my SF spot. I am doing better this season, because I can score from the LP at the SF spot. But I had a solid recruiting period where I found two offensive guard (SG) who are not liabilities. Over the course of the seasons I spent in La Salle, I recruited two players that were subpar and held us back. One is leaving this season and the other one, I will probably waive if I can replace the depth he gives me.

Bath : you are right. Getting a PG at C+ is really tough. Heck, I still did not have the chance to recruit a pure PG. As for ATH big men, when one hit 85 ath or over, I am happy.

We are presently projected 63, which means I probably need to win the CT to get in or win all games against Xavier, St-Joe's and Dayton to rise on the projection report. But I am pretty sure it's PIT again. Hopefully it gets me to B- so I can take the next step during next recruiting period. I need to Schedule better too.
1/13/2016 7:59 AM
Ive had PGs that were more of the (65ath 85spd 65def 90BH 90pass) do really well for me especially in motion.  give them minimum distro and let them pass the ball around to 4 or 5 assists a game and you'll be fine.  

me id go: 
C - Carter  then sullivan
PF - wolfork   then bland
SF - dubois then avita/powell
SG -  ward then williams
PG - bertram then piper

this gives you probabaly your best option at PG, your only option at SG,  decent SFs, and your only 2 bigs maximizing their minutes
1/13/2016 10:33 AM
these are 3 guys that I had that fit the role of PG ONLY pretty well for me and none of them were any thing special in recruiting maybe all three were in the 50-150 range at PG
brian beehler www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Ratings.aspx
c
raig perras www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Stats.aspx
will long www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Stats.aspx 


1/13/2016 11:01 AM
Posted by waykbordr on 1/13/2016 10:33:00 AM (view original):
Ive had PGs that were more of the (65ath 85spd 65def 90BH 90pass) do really well for me especially in motion.  give them minimum distro and let them pass the ball around to 4 or 5 assists a game and you'll be fine.  

me id go: 
C - Carter  then sullivan
PF - wolfork   then bland
SF - dubois then avita/powell
SG -  ward then williams
PG - bertram then piper

this gives you probabaly your best option at PG, your only option at SG,  decent SFs, and your only 2 bigs maximizing their minutes

You really think he should start 2 sophmores and a freshman? The lack of IQ will quickly make up the difference between all their LP ratings from the older guys, from what I've learned from others. 

Unless you're just planning on throwing in the towel and start getting the Freshman players as much playing time as possible. I'm not sure what the Highs are, but that recruiting class seems damn good IMO. Guys like Ward have started games and are shooting under 40%.

 

1/13/2016 11:49 AM (edited)
those 2 post players IMO are way better than the JR and SR (but bland is definilty the better option than sullivan),  Ward at SG even though hes a FR is his only threat to make a 3.  if he has no 3pt shooter than the (-5) can and should be run every game vs him because all he has for scoring is slashers and LP. 
1/13/2016 3:59 PM
Ward isn't shooting well and isn't going to stop anyone running a heavy - defense.

I'd rather put Williams and just hope the ath/def if enough for now, and just focus on recruiting more, can't really do much else at the guard spots.
1/13/2016 4:29 PM
I am with Only on this, I think Ward is not ready. I promised a start so I get him in the lineup against bad teams. it probably cost me a game or two against SIM. To prevent this, I go getting tired on Williams and sometimes run uptempo.

We are up to 55 on the projected list so there is hope.
1/14/2016 8:03 AM
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