I recently had a back and forth with ticket I submitted about this, and they said they would look into changing it.  But I don't have so much faith that it's going to happen, so I just needed to vent here.  

The way HD handles reserving team is SO STUPID.  I know most of the time it doesn't matter, but they should use common sense.  And if everyone disagrees with me, I'll back off.

I have no problem with a coach who wants to join a world calling dibs on a team.  However, that shouldn't come into affect until after the job application period is over.  If I'm a coach in the world, I should have the opportunity to apply to any school that doesn't currently have a human coach.  If a coach doesn't have a resume in a specific world, they should not get any team they want over existing coaches.  And even more, a coach with a resume should have to apply to the school like everyone else.

The way WIS does it now, is if a coach doesn't have a team in that world, at any point during the season they can reserve a team, and that team will no longer show up on the available jobs list, so nobody else can apply.  This makes no sense.  Coaches should have the option to get dibs on a team the second signups start so they know they won't miss out on the school.  But existing coaches should have the right to apply first.  And it makes it even stupider that even though WIS won't allow anyone else to apply, they don't even list the coach who reserved the team as coach until after the job application period.

Again, I know this barely affects anybody, because most coaches aren't applying to schools that were sims the season before.  But it just makes no sense to me.  And should be such an obvious fix.

Please tell me if I'm wrong.

another way to look at this is that existing coaches DID have the right to apply for the job - in the prior period.  They didnt.  That is why it is available to be reserved in the current cycle.

Posted by fd343ny on 1/20/2016 4:11:00 PM (view original):
another way to look at this is that existing coaches DID have the right to apply for the job - in the prior period.  They didnt.  That is why it is available to be reserved in the current cycle.

Besides for the fact that I disagree if that should matter, the original situation I contacted CS about, was a DII school that a coach who had a resume in that world, but was not coaching that current season had reserved the school.  And in that situation, still nobody else was allowed to apply.  
So it's possible someone had just joined DIII and it was their first opportunity to apply to the school.

had the DII school been SIM coached the prior season?

Posted by fd343ny on 1/20/2016 4:11:00 PM (view original):
another way to look at this is that existing coaches DID have the right to apply for the job - in the prior period.  They didnt.  That is why it is available to be reserved in the current cycle.

agreed.

i get the gripe, but if a school is open, all the existing coaches had a chance to take it (except your first year coach edge case, but, you don't craft a policy for the edge case). i actually don't think non-current coaches can even apply against existing coaches for some reason, during the job openings period. i feel like it hasn't let me on numerous occasions. i would probably support allowing that.

but, more importantly, a guy who isn't playing, isn't running the rat race of the HD schedule. you have exactly one day to look at newly open jobs before the good ones fill. i don't think you can hold a guy who might be looking any time in a 60 day window, to showing up that 1 day. just not fair. if there's a decent job nobody wanted last time around, why can't they have it? you could say, let their application go in, and maybe get rejected, but bringing coaches back into the game is a pretty important thing. i think thats got to take priority, when you are talking the leftover trash from last season... 

Just throwing this out there....what about at D1?  Say a coach with a mediocre resume reserves a C- school early in the season and that school makes an improbable S16 or E8 run and their prestige bumps up to a B.  With the jobs process as goofy as it is now a new coach with a meh resume can jump right into D1 at a B prestige school with a resume that shouldn't qualify them for anything above, say, a C school.  It's not a common scenario but I think this is where mid-season applications get a little murky.

I totally see the issue with the scenario. 

My question is -- how do you fix it? If you want new players into the game, forcing them to wait until the jobs window closes doesn't leave much time to get new skin in the game before that world starts recruiting and new signups end. For better or worse, one thing the current system allows for is that any player can sign up for any world at any time, maximizing the chance for a wanderer to come in and join the game (maybe the change should only be at the D2/D1 level where new players aren't able to sign up?). I'll leave the editorial comment on how wanderers won't come to a game that isn't advertised for another post...or not...

Also, you have to be qualified to reserve a team.. New coach can not reserve in D2 or D1..Guy with bad resume can't take a team they are not qualified for.

Posted by rednu on 1/21/2016 12:48:00 PM (view original):
I totally see the issue with the scenario. 

My question is -- how do you fix it? If you want new players into the game, forcing them to wait until the jobs window closes doesn't leave much time to get new skin in the game before that world starts recruiting and new signups end. For better or worse, one thing the current system allows for is that any player can sign up for any world at any time, maximizing the chance for a wanderer to come in and join the game (maybe the change should only be at the D2/D1 level where new players aren't able to sign up?). I'll leave the editorial comment on how wanderers won't come to a game that isn't advertised for another post...or not...

I agree, you have to let people reserve early to get them while they are interested...

Posted by hughesjr on 1/21/2016 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rednu on 1/21/2016 12:48:00 PM (view original):
I totally see the issue with the scenario. 

My question is -- how do you fix it? If you want new players into the game, forcing them to wait until the jobs window closes doesn't leave much time to get new skin in the game before that world starts recruiting and new signups end. For better or worse, one thing the current system allows for is that any player can sign up for any world at any time, maximizing the chance for a wanderer to come in and join the game (maybe the change should only be at the D2/D1 level where new players aren't able to sign up?). I'll leave the editorial comment on how wanderers won't come to a game that isn't advertised for another post...or not...

I agree, you have to let people reserve early to get them while they are interested...

I have no problem with anyone not in the world being allowed to reserve a team.  I just think that it shouldn't take affect until after nobody else applies for the job.  And at DII and DI they should have to apply like everyone else.

You aren't hearing what is being said in the above comments.

the coach reserving a team is coming in LAST.

Every single job opening is available to coaches who have teams in that world *FIRST*.  Only after jobs period is over do new coaches get to reserve a team which is either being run by the SIM or will be run by the SIM in the upcoming season if a new coach does not apply.

Now you can argue that you weren't *qualified* to apply previously but you would of had first shot at applying before the new coach did (although it could of been a very small window if an existing coach moved up late in the job period and you wanted to apply to his old school).

Posted by dan2044 on 1/21/2016 3:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 1/21/2016 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rednu on 1/21/2016 12:48:00 PM (view original):
I totally see the issue with the scenario. 

My question is -- how do you fix it? If you want new players into the game, forcing them to wait until the jobs window closes doesn't leave much time to get new skin in the game before that world starts recruiting and new signups end. For better or worse, one thing the current system allows for is that any player can sign up for any world at any time, maximizing the chance for a wanderer to come in and join the game (maybe the change should only be at the D2/D1 level where new players aren't able to sign up?). I'll leave the editorial comment on how wanderers won't come to a game that isn't advertised for another post...or not...

I agree, you have to let people reserve early to get them while they are interested...

I have no problem with anyone not in the world being allowed to reserve a team.  I just think that it shouldn't take affect until after nobody else applies for the job.  And at DII and DI they should have to apply like everyone else.

Why would you want to block a new coach from getting a job?  At least if a returning coach didn't get that job, he would still be in that world at his old job.  Who would want to reserve just to keep having to scramble around if someone keeps beating you to jobs you supposedly can reserve and then the job period is over and you get nothing...

Posted by buddhagamer on 1/21/2016 4:51:00 PM (view original):
Every single job opening is available to coaches who have teams in that world *FIRST*.  Only after jobs period is over do new coaches get to reserve a team which is either being run by the SIM or will be run by the SIM in the upcoming season if a new coach does not apply.

Now you can argue that you weren't *qualified* to apply previously but you would of had first shot at applying before the new coach did (although it could of been a very small window if an existing coach moved up late in the job period and you wanted to apply to his old school).

This is not true.  
And the fact that it's not true is exactly the point I'm trying to make.  I'm not trying to prevent any new coaches from getting jobs.  If a coach trys to reserve a team, and no existing coach applies, they can have it.  If another coach does apply, then the new coach still has a day and a half of signups to pick a team they like.

It could be I'm not explaining the situation well.  Or I'm just wrong, and everyone else thinks it makes sense to let new coaches choose over existing coaches.  And I know it's such a small number of situations it matters, but it happens.

Posted by dan2044 on 1/20/2016 4:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 1/20/2016 4:11:00 PM (view original):
another way to look at this is that existing coaches DID have the right to apply for the job - in the prior period.  They didnt.  That is why it is available to be reserved in the current cycle.

Besides for the fact that I disagree if that should matter, the original situation I contacted CS about, was a DII school that a coach who had a resume in that world, but was not coaching that current season had reserved the school.  And in that situation, still nobody else was allowed to apply.  
So it's possible someone had just joined DIII and it was their first opportunity to apply to the school.

time to back off Dan, you are off base on several levels.
#1. a new coach can not apply to D2 as you describe. (it can't happen).
#2. if it's D2, and the guy was a previous coach and is qualified.... again, he is applying for the job after everyone else in D2 and D3 that were qualified passed on the job.

#3. to answer your next post. No-one is applying (reserving), BEFORE existing coaches, they are doing only after everyone passed and that team is now still open as the new season begins....