https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/RatingsHistory.aspx?tid=13154&pid=3233477

Would you keep this guy at DII, he'll likely be a back up SF his JR year and starter his SR year (3rd string this season), the PER is blue so his capped out line will look like this : 99. 46. 36. 99. 27. 76. 52(min) 31. 12. C+ or B- (FT) and mid 80's STA

I know he's slow for a DII SF with bad BH and PAS but I run FB/FCP so his ATH/DEF seems like he might be worth holding onto I just don't know if I'm being optimistic with my thinking that he'll be decent at the offensive end. What do you guys think? What should I expect scoring wise?

Looks good to me..... good defender, okay rebounder, should be able to score a little 

Play him at the 4 next season.

I thought about putting him at PF, I think he'd be a monster on offense but would kill me in regards to rebounding. I have good depth at the 4 and 5 this season and next so I think 3rd string PF and SF is where he's gonna end up with heavy distro if he's seeing more time at the PF.

he should be able to contribute on offense, not a lead guy or anything but definitely a contributor. for what its worth, i would not personally have him at much higher distro at the 4, than at the 3. if anything, it would be marginally different, but likely i'd have it the same at either spot.

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/16/2016 11:56:00 AM (view original):
he should be able to contribute on offense, not a lead guy or anything but definitely a contributor. for what its worth, i would not personally have him at much higher distro at the 4, than at the 3. if anything, it would be marginally different, but likely i'd have it the same at either spot.

That's funny, I thought he would be a better scoring option at the 3.   I would expect that he would see (generally) lower block cores being covered by a SF than a PF?   I was thinking his ATH/LP would be the better scoring option.

Do you think his high spd/per make him a much better scorer at the 4 Billy?

Either way this guy is a zone killer.  He'd eat up the 3-2 at the 3.

Posted by duece_duece on 2/15/2016 7:43:00 PM (view original):
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/RatingsHistory.aspx?tid=13154&pid=3233477

Would you keep this guy at DII, he'll likely be a back up SF his JR year and starter his SR year (3rd string this season), the PER is blue so his capped out line will look like this : 99. 46. 36. 99. 27. 76. 52(min) 31. 12. C+ or B- (FT) and mid 80's STA

I know he's slow for a DII SF with bad BH and PAS but I run FB/FCP so his ATH/DEF seems like he might be worth holding onto I just don't know if I'm being optimistic with my thinking that he'll be decent at the offensive end. What do you guys think? What should I expect scoring wise?

Hold on a second. You've got a player that will end up with a 99 Ath, 46 Spd, 36 Reb, 99 Def, 27 SB, 76 LP, 52 (min) Per, 31 BH, 12 Pass, and 85ish Stam...in D2...and you're thinking about letting him go? My goodness, I must REALLY be aiming too low with my recruiting because, to me anyway, this guy is a no-brainer keeper.

In fact, since I've got a team in D2 Knight, I think you should obviously cut him. He's garbage, not worth the time of day, and I would be extremely happy to take him off your hands. With that combination of Ath, LP, and that B- FT rating, I'll get 14-15 points per game out of him. Easily.

Of course, the fact that I don't run FB on any of my teams is also a factor in the decision but I still think this guy is a 100% keeper and I wouldn't even think twice about it.

I thought is was 27 LP. Rereading it, EMY is right. A 99 ath, 72 LP guy would be my first option on the vast majority of teams I have.

He's better than this guy who is averaging 12 points a game in d1.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Stats.aspx?tid=3320&pid=3186472

At the 3 against a great press, he's likely to turn it over 8+.

Posted by jaxorbetter on 2/16/2016 3:24:00 PM (view original):

At the 3 against a great press, he's likely to turn it over 8+.

That's just not true.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/16/2016 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jaxorbetter on 2/16/2016 3:24:00 PM (view original):

At the 3 against a great press, he's likely to turn it over 8+.

That's just not true.

Just my experience then. With better BH and PASS than that guy has.

This former SF of mine https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Ratings.aspx?tid=12331&pid=3163521

turned in two separate 8+ TO performances against elite pressing teams. He was fine against anyone else.

So, a datapoint at the very least, but "just not true" just isn't true either.

Posted by jaxorbetter on 2/17/2016 1:10:00 PM (view original):

This former SF of mine https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Ratings.aspx?tid=12331&pid=3163521

turned in two separate 8+ TO performances against elite pressing teams. He was fine against anyone else.

So, a datapoint at the very least, but "just not true" just isn't true either.

Sounds like your SF just had two freakishly bad days.

Elite pressing teams at D2 usually generate 20-24 TO / gm. (Right now in Naismith, there are only 2 teams generating more than 24 / gm, and both have played preposterously easy schedules.) Your Rollins team has been a consistent A+ team, so I'd expect your squad to turn it over a little less than avg vs good press teams. Plus, the SF you're showing turned it over on less than 15% of all the possessions he used over his last 3 seasons, and that's with a sample size over 2000 mins.

So for him - not your PG, your SF - to turn it over 8 times in one game is a complete freak occurrence - certainly not something that's "likely" to happen, for your guy or the OP's.

OK, replace "likely" with "possibly" and "8" with "more than you'd like to see at that position." I think that's fair, and it let's someone know that getting better big man skills at that position might come with a price. Couldn't/shouldn't a guy whose BH/pass is well below the position's demands, who is running in a fast break against a quick, smart trapping team, and who has the ball in his hands his share of the time possibly turn it over a ton? It has possibly worked that way for me in some games.

I don't put players in that situation much anymore to have a big sample size. Maybe Duece could start/20/distro-up Chaffin at the 3 against Shippensburg and Florida Tech this upcoming non-con season to add to the data? :-)