This I mean is probably the most believable thing I can think of for Seble's "genius" plan.

We are all we aware now that WIS doesn't get a lot of funding and doesn't really bring in a lot of new people.

Currently their biggest revenue from HD is those long term coaches that have no idea what they are doing and hold those semi attractive D1 jobs(or just D2/D3 jobs but no one really cares as much). These coaches rarely if ever make the NT and will never receive more than $1-2 per season in credits. So everytime they renew assuming they buy a 10 pack with 1 team they spend about $90s a year which isn't a lot, but most coaches have more than 1 school and there is actual a good amount of these coaches.

Then you have the newer upcoming D1 coaches who are stuck for long periods of time at lower/mid major D1 where at best you make the NT 1st round every season maybe every blue moon win a game. So you get your $3 in credits every season and again assuming they don't have other teams you are still paying a pretty hefty price for that 1 mid major D1 team.

Now of course if the job process is changed and we see firings happen most likely those long time coaches just quit altogether, and then get replaced at Big 6 jobs where those who have been waiting excel and start competing bringing in more rewards and therefore paying less.

So basically WIS won't change job process because they know they will lose 2 huge ways they earn revenue and the current change is just to keep us "happy" and make us believe they will eventually address what is either the biggest or 2nd biggest problem in the game. (you can argue whether or not it actually is working as there is a lot of unhappy people besides me too)

Maybe paranoid, but look at it from WIS's perspective they clearly don't care about making a good game and financially it makes more sense to keep those whales and hold back the good coaches.

Or I guess you know they could actually make a good game that would bring in people and bring in more money, but I don't think they understand that part.

Or, they just don't have enough resources to update the game.

While we may not always agree with or understand the decisions that are made, I firmly believe that making money is the #1 concern and they're decisions reflect what they think is best to accomplish making money.

I don't mean this in a bad way at all! This is what any company should be doing! Typically a good business grows. It finds new consumers and sells their product to them. If not for making money and growth, what's the point of a business?

So while maybe we all would do it differently, I don't believe there is a conspiracy going on. The people who own this game and work on it want it to be auccessful. Plain and simple. We all complain a lot but we don't know all the details about how this company (or should we say this division) really works and what they need to consider on their day to day and potential future operations.

Posted by jetwildcat on 3/4/2016 5:06:00 PM (view original):
Or, they just don't have enough resources to update the game.

but they have enough resources to add some ****** updates that take more effort than to just fix jobs/prestige.

Posted by the0nlyis on 3/4/2016 5:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jetwildcat on 3/4/2016 5:06:00 PM (view original):
Or, they just don't have enough resources to update the game.

but they have enough resources to add some ****** updates that take more effort than to just fix jobs/prestige.

this is the thing that does puzzle me a little.

i'm trying to keep an open mind, maybe the update will be great.


but most (nearly all) of the changes are things that seem to rate pretty low on most coaches wish list of changes.
and, of course, even if it is done well there will be a certain percentage who just hate it for sake of hating it.


just seems like there were other things that could have been changed that would have had a better chance at making an extremely high percentage of users happy (nothing will make everyone happy, but there are a few things that most coaches seem to agree on.

Posted by oldave on 3/4/2016 5:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 3/4/2016 5:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jetwildcat on 3/4/2016 5:06:00 PM (view original):
Or, they just don't have enough resources to update the game.

but they have enough resources to add some ****** updates that take more effort than to just fix jobs/prestige.

this is the thing that does puzzle me a little.

i'm trying to keep an open mind, maybe the update will be great.


but most (nearly all) of the changes are things that seem to rate pretty low on most coaches wish list of changes.
and, of course, even if it is done well there will be a certain percentage who just hate it for sake of hating it.


just seems like there were other things that could have been changed that would have had a better chance at making an extremely high percentage of users happy (nothing will make everyone happy, but there are a few things that most coaches seem to agree on.

the only other explanation I can think of is that WIS is just really unprofitable so they are just trying to get as much money out of it as possible and then kill it off but not explicitly just force enough people to leave that then they can shut it down

because the way seble acts I don't have any other explanations, besides just obviously sucking at this.

Because if money was a real problem they're cheaper and quicker fixes that won't **** off everyone that can be done

I guarantee you, if they made thise exact changes, there would also be mile long complaint threads about them.

Posted by oldave on 3/4/2016 5:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by the0nlyis on 3/4/2016 5:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jetwildcat on 3/4/2016 5:06:00 PM (view original):
Or, they just don't have enough resources to update the game.

but they have enough resources to add some ****** updates that take more effort than to just fix jobs/prestige.

this is the thing that does puzzle me a little.

i'm trying to keep an open mind, maybe the update will be great.


but most (nearly all) of the changes are things that seem to rate pretty low on most coaches wish list of changes.
and, of course, even if it is done well there will be a certain percentage who just hate it for sake of hating it.


just seems like there were other things that could have been changed that would have had a better chance at making an extremely high percentage of users happy (nothing will make everyone happy, but there are a few things that most coaches seem to agree on.

I think one is more of a symptom, and one more of a cause. I think all the job/prestige issues are somewhat a result of the existing recruiting system. Fixing the recruiting system could make a lot of things better as side effects. Fixing simple things like job/prestige are band-aids.

There is no conspiracy. And there is always 64 starting in the NT, 32, then 16... So the rewards are basically always given unless there is a SIM sneaking in. But it does not happen a lot. So even with new talented coaches, the paying will remain the same if the population stays the same. If it goes down, then there is a problem... And that is why retaining players is the most important thing in this game. Then, attracting new ones is second but probably first since you can replace owners who leave the game.

As for the update, maybe Seble sees something about recruiting we do not see... Maybe he sees the game evolution somewhere else, a place where he finds he has a better chance at retaining owners and attracting new ones. It's all about that. If he implements his revolution without testing and getting positive feedbacks by owners who know the game, then there is a problem. I doubt he will do that.

Dude you need to calm the hell down. You've been straight bashing the game for weeks now. You talk constantly about how we need to keep coaches around and recruit new ones, but what do you think it does for the game when you constantly bash WIS and spout outlandish conspiracy theories?

I do post a lot of positive and interesting **** too, but no one really cares about that......

I don't think they are outlandish though....

Posted by a_in_the_b on 3/4/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
I guarantee you, if they made thise exact changes, there would also be mile long complaint threads about them.

Sure but playing a stale game will result in a loss of interest. New players coming to read all these complaints about the lack of updates isn't helping their interest either. Someone needs to take control and put some time and money into making our game better

Oh, I wasn't arguing for no changes, just you have people who seem to say "The FOOLS!" all they would have to do is make changes X, Y, and Z which I approve of and there would be sunshine and Lolipops." I guarantee, no mater what set of proposed changes they implemented, there would be a bitter complaint thread about them. From at least someone.

Posted by a_in_the_b on 3/4/2016 9:46:00 PM (view original):
Oh, I wasn't arguing for no changes, just you have people who seem to say "The FOOLS!" all they would have to do is make changes X, Y, and Z which I approve of and there would be sunshine and Lolipops." I guarantee, no mater what set of proposed changes they implemented, there would be a bitter complaint thread about them. From at least someone.

Can't make everyone happy. Different strokes

I think we're missing the point that we don't necessarily decide what the game will look like. It's not a democracy. The owners/developer(s) have a certain vision of how they want the game to be, and what's important (whether do to difficulty of changes or what they think is most important) when change time comes.

I love me some conspiracy theory, and I work in a place that isn't terribly different from this, high level. Of course they want more sales, more revenue. But clearly they don't get much of a budget for that. We can all say 'It's Fox, it should be free", but it's not. But I don't think "they" are out to screw us, or to drive people away. Of course they want to keep a certain percentage of users, but they know that any change means some percentage will always leave. But no change also means some percentage will leave.

I think seble has been good about taking some input, but he's not putting up a poll for what features to change. And I'm ok with that. He sees the code, we don't. To him, and to Fox, these are the changes that make the most sense now. If it all sucks and he doesn't listen to beta testers, then we'll leave, and that's ok too.

I still think it's a net positive that changes are being made at all. Believe me you don't want to work at a place where the code base is closed and management is basically robbing people to keep buying, not last years thing, but the thing from 10 years ago.