Posted by emy1013 on 3/14/2016 3:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by eflhoca on 3/14/2016 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by joeykw18 on 3/14/2016 2:28:00 PM (view original):
Tenn-Martin fired their coach in Knight this morning. Justified?

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	SOS	Prestige	Notes
92	rwright	6-21	2-10	4-10	0-1	3-13		309	311	D-
91	rwright	8-19	5-8	3-10	0-1	5-11		304	316	D-
90	rwright	11-17	6-7	4-9	1-1	9-7		243	276	D
89	rwright	16-11	7-6	9-4	0-1	10-6		162	263	D	Conf Champion
88	rwright	13-14	5-8	8-5	0-1	7-9		215	299	D-
87	rwright	6-23	3-11	1-11	2-1	2-14		287	193	D-

Taking a team down from 287 to 309 in RPI over six years, yes, justified.
He went 10 years without a postseason at St. Joe's and didn't get fired. Higher baseline prestige there, never dropped below D+, RPI was in the low 100's instead of up in the 200-300s. Final RPI matters for prestige.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you wrote, just making that clear up front. All I'd like to add is that if this resume is enough to get someone fired then there should be a whole helluva lot of coaches sweating the end of their respective seasons.

Perhaps, as was mentioned, he ghost shipped the team and someone in his conference complained in a ticket to CS and that was the catalyst needed to get him removed from this team. If that "was" the case, and that's a big IF, then that is all kinds of wrong. Firings should NOT be based on another coach acting like a hallway monitor. it's nice to see that firings have not totally been removed, but they REALLY need to be ramped up. A lot.

I understand Seble's hesitation in firings because he feels it could upset long time users. But what about those long time users who are stuck just below the elite team level who can't break through the logjam of coaches at the elite teams, some of which definitely do NOT deserve to be in their current positions.

I'm probably in a very, very small minority but I'm the type of person/coach who would understand being fired from a job if I wasn't performing up to standard. Believe me, I wouldn't necessarily "like" it, but I would understand it and be man enough to accept the fact that it was time to move on. I would like to think that coaches who play long enough and are competitive enough to reach the elite levels are also rational enough people to realize that they aren't getting the job done and would ultimately be okay with being fired (after they cooled off for a bit). Maybe I'm totally off base here but I would just hope that those coaches would have enough personal integrity to do the right thing.

As far as "meeting team standards", that's easy. It might take Seble a little time to go back through and code each team but the answer is to announce up front, in the e-mail you get welcoming you to your new school, what the minimum requirements to keep the job will be. Simple and transparent. That way a coach knows exactly what he has to do in order to keep the job and if those minimum standards aren't met, then it's time to go and let the next person try. Easy as can be. What those standards are could be up for discussion and would have to be reasonable but put it out in the open so everyone knows. That way if a coach "isn't" meeting those standards, other coaches interested in that job will know that it's about to open up to new applicants. Easy as can be.

Sorry for the rambling but hirings/firings has been a pet peeve of mine for a long, long time.

I love the idea of transparent minimum requirements to keep your job. And WIS wouldn't even necessarily have to code it individually for each team - at least for starters, it could be consistent based on baseline prestige (so all B baselines would have the same requirements).

I've advocated before that baseline prestige should be a soft floor; lets say you take over a B- school. If your performance is bad enough, your team can fall below a B-; if that happens anytime after your first four seasons, you are fired (there is a 4 year grace period so you can have all of your own recruits for at least one season).

But once you fall below, it becomes easy to bounce back to that level. So if you take over a B- school that slipped down to a C+, it takes pretty minimal success to get back to B- (i.e. computer is coded to give you a boost back if you're close).

Posted by grimacedance on 3/14/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
I've advocated before that baseline prestige should be a soft floor; lets say you take over a B- school. If your performance is bad enough, your team can fall below a B-; if that happens anytime after your first four seasons, you are fired (there is a 4 year grace period so you can have all of your own recruits for at least one season).

But once you fall below, it becomes easy to bounce back to that level. So if you take over a B- school that slipped down to a C+, it takes pretty minimal success to get back to B- (i.e. computer is coded to give you a boost back if you're close).

I like this idea! Except, I don't know that it would work for an A+ Baseline, but I'd say if an A+ falls to A- or less for like 3 years, firing would be appropriate.

Posted by emy1013 on 3/14/2016 3:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by eflhoca on 3/14/2016 2:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by joeykw18 on 3/14/2016 2:28:00 PM (view original):
Tenn-Martin fired their coach in Knight this morning. Justified?

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	SOS	Prestige	Notes
92	rwright	6-21	2-10	4-10	0-1	3-13		309	311	D-
91	rwright	8-19	5-8	3-10	0-1	5-11		304	316	D-
90	rwright	11-17	6-7	4-9	1-1	9-7		243	276	D
89	rwright	16-11	7-6	9-4	0-1	10-6		162	263	D	Conf Champion
88	rwright	13-14	5-8	8-5	0-1	7-9		215	299	D-
87	rwright	6-23	3-11	1-11	2-1	2-14		287	193	D-

Taking a team down from 287 to 309 in RPI over six years, yes, justified.
He went 10 years without a postseason at St. Joe's and didn't get fired. Higher baseline prestige there, never dropped below D+, RPI was in the low 100's instead of up in the 200-300s. Final RPI matters for prestige.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you wrote, just making that clear up front. All I'd like to add is that if this resume is enough to get someone fired then there should be a whole helluva lot of coaches sweating the end of their respective seasons.

Perhaps, as was mentioned, he ghost shipped the team and someone in his conference complained in a ticket to CS and that was the catalyst needed to get him removed from this team. If that "was" the case, and that's a big IF, then that is all kinds of wrong. Firings should NOT be based on another coach acting like a hallway monitor. it's nice to see that firings have not totally been removed, but they REALLY need to be ramped up. A lot.

I understand Seble's hesitation in firings because he feels it could upset long time users. But what about those long time users who are stuck just below the elite team level who can't break through the logjam of coaches at the elite teams, some of which definitely do NOT deserve to be in their current positions.

I'm probably in a very, very small minority but I'm the type of person/coach who would understand being fired from a job if I wasn't performing up to standard. Believe me, I wouldn't necessarily "like" it, but I would understand it and be man enough to accept the fact that it was time to move on. I would like to think that coaches who play long enough and are competitive enough to reach the elite levels are also rational enough people to realize that they aren't getting the job done and would ultimately be okay with being fired (after they cooled off for a bit). Maybe I'm totally off base here but I would just hope that those coaches would have enough personal integrity to do the right thing.

As far as "meeting team standards", that's easy. It might take Seble a little time to go back through and code each team but the answer is to announce up front, in the e-mail you get welcoming you to your new school, what the minimum requirements to keep the job will be. Simple and transparent. That way a coach knows exactly what he has to do in order to keep the job and if those minimum standards aren't met, then it's time to go and let the next person try. Easy as can be. What those standards are could be up for discussion and would have to be reasonable but put it out in the open so everyone knows. That way if a coach "isn't" meeting those standards, other coaches interested in that job will know that it's about to open up to new applicants. Easy as can be.

Sorry for the rambling but hirings/firings has been a pet peeve of mine for a long, long time.

Who are you and what are you doing in these forums? Are you a ringer? Your post makes a ton of sense!

Still a complete fking joke.
Big 6 School in Smith. Coach let the team go ghost ship and STILL cant get fired.

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	SOS	Prestige	Notes
88	xxxxxxxxx	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0		0	0	-
87	xxxxxxxxx	0-27	0-16	0-10	0-1	0-16		283	65	C-
86	xxxxxxxxx	5-22	4-13	1-8	0-1	1-15		253	84	C+
85	xxxxxxxxx	8-19	7-9	1-9	0-1	1-15		212	88	B-
84	xxxxxxxxx	15-13	11-6	3-6	1-1	5-11		119	79	B
83	xxxxxxxxx	15-12	11-6	4-5	0-1	6-10		148	130	B

coolman97865

it's clear ghosting he just went 0-27 in tark as well

but nah lets focus on recruiting updates and worry about jobs later.

#fuckseble

Side note: I feel like this season in Knight D3 is shaping up to be the most competitive in a long time.