Okay here we go. I think this will show a little better what I was trying to explain. So I used a similar formula to calculate out possessions as tkimble shared. Below is a link to a google doc that anyone can use to calculate out their advanced stats for their team and players. If you happen to come across any errors (which is quite possible), let me know so I can correct. I got all the formulas from Kenpom and other advanced stats sites.
All right, here's a table that I think shows what I mean by "you get more possessions with FB, but not more shots (FGA)". I took a few of my teams in the past that I had stats for and pulled out the season averages for Poss, FGA, FTA. I also included Offensive rebounding and Turnovers too just to see how possessions are ending.
I also went ahead and took mfmyers Dickinson stats (hope he doesn't mind!) since he's a great coach who uses FB and goes uptempo exclusively. But note that the Dickinson Phelan is in only in year 2 of a rebuild for him.
Anyway, check out the stats below. I'd like to point out my Ramapo 83 team where I went uptempo in almost every game. Compare this to all 5 of the FB teams I have listed. Playing Flex, they had more FGA than any of them (tied with CNU 92 actually). But looking at the FGA per Possession, the Motion/Flex teams seem higher than the FB. Especially compared to mfmyers two really good Dickinson teams.
What do you guys think? We can add more teams to the table and get more data if you'd like and see if this holds.
Team |
Offense |
Poss. |
FGA |
FTA |
Oreb |
TOs |
|
FGA/Poss |
FTA/Poss |
Tempo |
Ramapo 81 |
Flex |
69 |
50 |
32 |
9 |
13 |
|
0.73 |
0.46 |
Mostly Normal/Slow |
Ramapo 82 |
Flex |
70 |
50 |
38 |
10 |
12 |
|
0.71 |
0.55 |
Mostly Normal/Slow |
Ramapo 83 |
Flex |
80 |
60 |
44 |
13 |
13 |
|
0.74 |
0.55 |
Mostly Uptempo |
Ramapo 84 |
Flex |
75 |
56 |
36 |
12 |
13 |
|
0.75 |
0.48 |
Some Uptempo |
Chestnut 79 |
Motion |
71 |
57 |
24 |
11 |
15 |
|
0.80 |
0.33 |
Mostly Normal |
Chestnut 80 |
Motion |
66 |
52 |
23 |
10 |
13 |
|
0.79 |
0.35 |
Mostly Normal/Slow |
Chestnut 81 |
Motion |
74 |
55 |
32 |
11 |
14 |
|
0.75 |
0.44 |
Some Uptempo |
Chestnut 82 |
Motion |
64 |
46 |
28 |
8 |
13 |
|
0.72 |
0.44 |
Mostly Normal/Slow |
Chestnut 83 |
Motion |
67 |
48 |
30 |
9 |
13 |
|
0.72 |
0.46 |
Mostly Normal/Slow |
Chestnut 84 |
Motion |
66 |
50 |
29 |
10 |
13 |
|
0.75 |
0.43 |
Mostly Normal/Slow |
CNU 91 |
FB |
81 |
58 |
38 |
13 |
18 |
|
0.71 |
0.47 |
Some Uptempo |
CNU 92 |
FB |
85 |
60 |
37 |
12 |
20 |
|
0.70 |
0.44 |
Some Uptempo |
Dick Allen |
FB |
88 |
58 |
52 |
14 |
19 |
|
0.66 |
0.59 |
Always Uptempo |
Dick Iba |
FB |
82 |
52 |
47 |
12 |
19 |
|
0.64 |
0.58 |
Always Uptempo |
Dick Phelan |
FB |
84 |
57 |
36 |
12 |
23 |
|
0.67 |
0.43 |
Always Uptempo |
2/27/2018 1:11 PM (edited)