Thanks for helping me realize that I can agree with someone's dislike of the update and still despise them. You're idiotic get off my lawn/back in my day men were men mentality makes me thankful to discover how to use the block feature. Sorry if that offends you but just 'calling a spade a spade'.

The Beta is less than a season old, y'all need to chill out.

Does anyone remember the last beta we had for the current potential/recruiting?

The first season EVERY player reached their max potential by the end of the season, it was a disaster.

Posted by CoachSpud on 6/14/2016 8:07:00 AM (view original):
LOL, is someone keeping an open mind about the beta and actually trying it out so foreign that you start conspiracy theories?

You don't detect sarcasm well, do you?

One other thing that you don't seem to quite "get". People can make negative comments, offer criticisms and still have an open mind about the beta. Now I'm speaking about myself obviously because I'm using past history as my guide and past history is definitely not in WIS' favor. But as I've stated several times already, I'll cut my teams back drastically, keep the few that have a sentimental value for me, try out the update when it's officially rolled out and then go from there. I'd say that's being somewhat open minded, yes?

Posted by tannermcc on 6/14/2016 9:46:00 AM (view original):
The Beta is less than a season old, y'all need to chill out.

Does anyone remember the last beta we had for the current potential/recruiting?

The first season EVERY player reached their max potential by the end of the season, it was a disaster.

And what was it you said in your other post that was similar to this one? It took, what was it you said, oh right, months to get things right AFTER the update was rolled out. Sound about right to you?

Posted by emy1013 on 6/13/2016 10:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 6/12/2016 7:46:00 PM (view original):
I couldn't agree less with the op.

You're entitled to your opinion of course TJ, but Mully happens to be correct on this one.

Based on what? I don't see how the update has anything to do with "entitlement." I don't think the update was really designed to favor randomness. Frankly, if I'm being honest, I don't think seble thinks things through at a very high level much of the time. His various postings in the beta forum have only reinforced this belief. It doesn't seem like he recognizes anything but the most direct consequences of any changes he's making, and seeing the indirect consequences only happens when users point them out to him.

I don't disagree with the conclusions regarding the outcome on the game vis a vis the increasing role of luck and randomness, especially at D2 and D3. I was one of the first people to express concern about that here, starting a few cycles into recruiting. I just haven't kept hammering on it as much as some people. But I don't think this was done to "level the playing field." I think seble thought this would be a more realistic system, he thought people would like that, and frankly, he didn't think about it much more than that. Do I think it was utterly ridiculous to work on this substantial and time consuming a change to the game without deeper thought and more consultation with the customer base? Of course I do. But that's what I think happened.

hey dahs = are you in the BETA?

Posted by mullycj on 6/12/2016 6:40:00 PM (view original):
For all the makeup that Seble tries to use to cover up this new offering, he won't be able to hide what this truly is. At the heart of all this is his attempt to help the mass of players who can't succeed on their own. Players want more randomness, from game results down to recruiting. "Why should the best team win all the time"...."why should the best coaches get the best recruits"? "Please Seble, is there something you can do so that I can hope to compete with the top coaches". "Please can we add new worlds go I can get a Big6 job".

Some call this the entitlement generation. And it has finally crept into HD. Lets blame the game for my failures! How soon we forget everyone had to start in DIII and work their way up. And of course it makes good business sense for Seble to listen to the whiners. WHY? Only 64 teams make the dance in each division. Lets face it, there are A LOT more bad coaches out there than good ones. The majority wins. So some of us will hang it up and say goodbye to Hoops Randasty. Meanwhile a new group of coaches who are left will figure out a way to rise to the top....

Then we can hear from all the others who still have failed, how changes need to be made to help them succeed.

I agree strongly with the first paragraph of this. Prestige appears to be pretty much dead, based on the beta forum's discussion of battles. One thing I think people are missing (or at least, I haven't seen it said yet) is that the new update will basically destroy the strategic facets of the current recruiting engine -- it seems like there are going to be too many variables for recruiting to be anything other than a crapshoot. Currently, you can figure out (or at least approximate) how to win battles. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong and people will be able to figure out what three very good preferences are worth versus two, and whether a very bad hurts you more than a bad, but I am afraid we're all just going to be button smashing on recruits to figure out whose preferences match best.

Posted by mullycj on 6/14/2016 4:43:00 PM (view original):
hey dahs = are you in the BETA?

Probably not anymore, I never bothered to sign up for another season. I became confident by the end of the first recruiting period that I would be leaving HD when this rolls out, and I'm trying to finish my PhD dissertation and graduate by the end of the month, so I don't have time to contribute much positively to fixing the problems right now.

However, if your question were "were you in the beta?" then the answer would be yes...

And I'm still reading the beta forums.

"One thing I think people are missing (or at least, I haven't seen it said yet) is that the new update will basically destroy the strategic facets of the current recruiting engine -- it seems like there are going to be too many variables for recruiting to be anything other than a crapshoot. Currently, you can figure out (or at least approximate) how to win battles. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong and people will be able to figure out what three very good preferences are worth versus two, and whether a very bad hurts you more than a bad, but I am afraid we're all just going to be button smashing on recruits to figure out whose preferences match best."

I agree...at this point there is very little strategy in recruiting...people complained it wasn't a level field before...now it is pure luck..luck if first in, luck if even losing in effort might win (seems silly, if loved your school why sign with a one that shows less effort?). Preferences is silly as well,,,,,,they have a preference for an offense and defense...yet they suck at those...and some have low IQ and WE to ever get be that great?

So since you disagree with my notion let me phrase it a different way. Would you agree that most of the coaches in BETA who want the change are in favor of randomness where the best teams don't always win and the better recruiter doesn't always get their player?

Posted by taniajane on 6/14/2016 4:54:00 PM (view original):
"One thing I think people are missing (or at least, I haven't seen it said yet) is that the new update will basically destroy the strategic facets of the current recruiting engine -- it seems like there are going to be too many variables for recruiting to be anything other than a crapshoot. Currently, you can figure out (or at least approximate) how to win battles. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong and people will be able to figure out what three very good preferences are worth versus two, and whether a very bad hurts you more than a bad, but I am afraid we're all just going to be button smashing on recruits to figure out whose preferences match best."

I agree...at this point there is very little strategy in recruiting...people complained it wasn't a level field before...now it is pure luck..luck if first in, luck if even losing in effort might win (seems silly, if loved your school why sign with a one that shows less effort?). Preferences is silly as well,,,,,,they have a preference for an offense and defense...yet they suck at those...and some have low IQ and WE to ever get be that great?

This is my biggest problem with the actual gameplay of the new system in beta as well. Bye bye skill and strategy and hello luck of the draw - and where at the new D3 it's also about just the luck of who you are lucky enough to see...

Posted by mullycj on 6/12/2016 6:40:00 PM (view original):
For all the makeup that Seble tries to use to cover up this new offering, he won't be able to hide what this truly is. At the heart of all this is his attempt to help the mass of players who can't succeed on their own. Players want more randomness, from game results down to recruiting. "Why should the best team win all the time"...."why should the best coaches get the best recruits"? "Please Seble, is there something you can do so that I can hope to compete with the top coaches". "Please can we add new worlds go I can get a Big6 job".

Some call this the entitlement generation. And it has finally crept into HD. Lets blame the game for my failures! How soon we forget everyone had to start in DIII and work their way up. And of course it makes good business sense for Seble to listen to the whiners. WHY? Only 64 teams make the dance in each division. Lets face it, there are A LOT more bad coaches out there than good ones. The majority wins. So some of us will hang it up and say goodbye to Hoops Randasty. Meanwhile a new group of coaches who are left will figure out a way to rise to the top....

Then we can hear from all the others who still have failed, how changes need to be made to help them succeed.

you say this like seble hasn't come out directly and stated that a big part of this change is about leveling the field. he also said its a lot about making recruiting more fun in general, not just the leveling the field thing, but he has been pretty open about that goal - no? your phrasing seems to suggest the opposite.

johnsensing - i am not convinced at all that prestige is no longer a factor. although maybe it is less. the ratio was about 3:1 between some d1 and d2 school on prestige and he made it bigger, seems like that means its fairly substantial. i never thought prestige was this massive thing anyway, maybe 50% per partial grade has long been my guess (multiplied per # of grades, not added). i figured the prestige shown in beta was under my 50% per grade mark when that thread came around but when it was changed, maybe its more, i don't know.

yep jsajsa...no skill or knowledge in this BETA yet demands more effort

Posted by the0nlyis on 6/12/2016 8:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 6/12/2016 8:09:00 PM (view original):
Trenton Joe is right. If you're going to call a spade a spade, first get off the rag. Now call a whiny BS thread a whiny BS thread.

and if your gonna blindly suck seble's dick go find a thread specifically for that

you've never posted anything substantial on why this update helps and like most others for this update run away whenever there is posts going on about the uselessness, bad implementation, or ignoring of good idea's because you can't say anything else besides, seble is good stop hating/

Then you wonder why more negative threads pop up and I call you out on your BS, chapel still hasn't responded to why his dumb *** comments on jobs opening up was a ******* brightside and that was so dumb I thought for a second you or cubcub posted that **** and even tj couldn't do **** besides saying I disagree with your disagreement without anything meaniful, sure mully's post wasn't the most descriptive like other complaint threads but you guys ignore it so we just end up insult you more

if you want to see whiny, tarv is being a whiny ***** about anything that negatively impacts him, he will not accept people running superclasses because they hurt his recruiting and he doesn't like dealing with them in Smith. He thinks he should have more recruiting ability at South Carolina and the A+ schools around him should be weakened, but then for D3 thinks it's perfectly alright for his already loaded teams to become more stacked by being able to grab D1 players immediately and easily. and then get worshipped like a god by you and cubcub dumb *****.

other people are doing it too can't accept that elite schools can currently be elite all the time and want to severly punish EE's without having any experience what so ever ignoring whoever actually has experience there. upset they suck at the game and can never get who they want in recruiting so want randomized signings because they think they will make it better, want scouting to be hidden so that they can maybe sign a good player because someone decided to scout the A- phyiscal guy who was really C+ ath/spd but A+ dur instead of the B- physical guy who was A- ath/spd and D+ dur.

talk to your doctor about xanax...