A (sorta) newbie's reaction to the update, exodus Topic

Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 7:26:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by the0nlyis on 7/7/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?
Unfortunaley no, I assume that it will grow overtime without any advertising plus once I get my mac laptop I will be advertising whatifsports on youtube.
I don't know if I can be any help, but I'm a writer. Let me know if you need anything, you know, written.
You write poetry? I have biils to pay right now so I am kinda sorta in a tight budget right now and only make 12,000 a year working at a mcdondals. Right now its unrealistic for me to hire people I need a better JOB.... Sorry just venting LOL. For something that isn't worth going for it sure is on my mind a hella alot (going back to college). The only thing stopping me from going back is racking up tremendous debt.... I am already debt free so its kinda pointless for me to go back but instead work my way up to a better job. By the way is the life I chose. I am also saving up for a small apartment IDK where I am going to move to. The only logical place is to move in with my best friend who is a head cook at Hwy55 which I am a cook as well so I could possible get a job there. I want to move in with him after this year but I need a job first.
There once was a fry cook named Ward
Whose claims were awfully absurd
Dates head coaches' daughters
Told Lebron Cleveland's hotter!
Too bad he's still 0-54...
7/7/2016 10:15 PM
Posted by dacj501 on 7/7/2016 10:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 6:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by the0nlyis on 7/7/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?
Unfortunaley no, I assume that it will grow overtime without any advertising plus once I get my mac laptop I will be advertising whatifsports on youtube.
I don't know if I can be any help, but I'm a writer. Let me know if you need anything, you know, written.
You write poetry? I have biils to pay right now so I am kinda sorta in a tight budget right now and only make 12,000 a year working at a mcdondals. Right now its unrealistic for me to hire people I need a better JOB.... Sorry just venting LOL. For something that isn't worth going for it sure is on my mind a hella alot (going back to college). The only thing stopping me from going back is racking up tremendous debt.... I am already debt free so its kinda pointless for me to go back but instead work my way up to a better job. By the way is the life I chose. I am also saving up for a small apartment IDK where I am going to move to. The only logical place is to move in with my best friend who is a head cook at Hwy55 which I am a cook as well so I could possible get a job there. I want to move in with him after this year but I need a job first.
There once was a fry cook named Ward
Whose claims were awfully absurd
Dates head coaches' daughters
Told Lebron Cleveland's hotter!
Too bad he's still 0-54...
Not a bad poem, dac. But it needs to rhyme. Obviously all poems rhyme. /sarcasm

Not a poet, Ward. I write fiction. More education is never a bad idea, in my opinion. I had a chance to get my MFA a few years ago and didn't take it. I might get it at some point.
7/7/2016 10:52 PM
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 5:24:00 PM (view original):
I can't speak for anyone else, certainly, but I imagine I could eventually get used to the new scouting/recruiting system. As with all of life, most new things are unfamiliar and unpopular. My love of the game will carry me through the growing pains. I'm not part of the beta, but it seems like there are some good aspects, some things we could get excited about. Reading rednu's blog, there appears to be positive changes every beta season. If we decide to assume it will keep improving before the roll out, and if we can not assume the worst, we just need to bring in new coaches, as Emy and many others have said.

Look, I know these are huge assumptions, especially through the cynic's lens, but the update is coming regardless. I believe any marketing we do will be more effective than anything Seble and WIS can put money behind, because we're able to convey love and excitement to others, especially as NCAA basketball season approaches. I've played a few basketball sims. Even with all the problems, this is the best simulation on the Internet. There's still a lot to sell people on. Am I wrong here?

Pallas - I love this game a lot too. I do not think there is any chance it will die. I honestly believe that a lot of the people who are saying they will leave will decide to stay once it is implemented, although I know some will leave. Some of them may come back because they will miss the game, and I hope that is the case. But I also think that a lot of old coaches who have left over the years will come back. They left for various reasons that quite possibly have been addressed in this update. Many will also want to try a new challenge, if they just got bored because they managed to learn the game so much and it was not challenging enough for them any more.

Some of the improvements that may have been reasons players in the past have left are the following: Poaching in the last cycle is not possible, at least to where someone cannot just appear out of nowhere in the last cycle. You also have 11 days to scout vs 36 hours. You can also set your first recruiting cycle 24 hours before recruiting starts instead of 2 hours. I am finding it much easier to recruit at longer distances because there is no longer a huge cost increase at 200 or 360 miles. There are countless other improvements.

Many of the concerns that some voiced at the beginning of Beta have been addressed or are in the process of being addressed, for example, the issue of D3 teams getting ranked D1 players.

I really like the update a lot. For example I just discovered one new thing this morning when I decided to try to redshirt a player that hadn't played in the first 3 games. I was wondering to myself when I would hear back, because we always had to wait a cycle to see if it was accepted. Turns out, you get an instant reply, so I was able to find out he hated it and restore him to the roster in about 1 minute. That was always a pain to have to wait because if I tried to redshirt someone, I could not fully set my lineup, not knowing if the player would have to be added back. I like so many things about the update. I may actually add teams after it comes out.
7/8/2016 7:08 AM
ah so we are back to hoping and praying the game doesn't die instead of actually making a game that doesn't **** everyone off....

isn't it actually more expensive to scout at a distance though ;) who cares if it's cheaper to recruit if you can't even scout at a distance in lower levels.

Chapel are you going to add enough teams to make up for everyone leaving and cutting, even if no one quits unfortunately you are the one and only getting a boner about this new update at best maybe some coaches add what 1 world? You gonna populate Tark by yourself buddy? Oh wait I forgot coachward is gonna advertise on youtube so all aer problems are taken care of and when the new update hits coaches that left will realize jobs are fixed, recruit gen is fixed, the game doesn't rely even more on luck, etc good one

Chapel I have a few bridges to sell you
7/8/2016 7:34 AM (edited)
"Some of the improvements that may have been reasons players in the past have left are the following: Poaching in the last cycle is not possible, at least to where someone cannot just appear out of nowhere in the last cycle. "

Chap, you can't be serious with that statement?
Poaching will be 10x worse now in this new update and I don't see how an experienced player like you can say otherwise. I can go from Moderate to Very High, not just in 1 CYCLE, but in the matter of 10 minutes!! If you are not on your phone/computer at 7:55 for a ASAP recruit then you could lose someone you could have been Very High on since cycle #1. And UNLIKE the current HD, you don't have a period to get him back.


7/8/2016 10:23 AM (edited)
I agree with Mully on that point. You might not be able to go from unconsidered on the last cycle, but the ebay-style poaching will be a killer. How often did people complain about the 2 hour first cycle of recruiting? This creates an even tighter window that is much more important to hit.

I also agree that HD isn't going to die. You will see a sharp dropoff in the number of coaches, followed in a few months by a slight rebound to a number that is lower than the current user base. This is the cycle we've seen over the past few major updates. However, I suspect the game at this point is not that expensive to run, so it doesn't make sense to kill it as long as there are some paying users.

If old coaches returning is really a point where WIS is hoping will offset some of the folks who leave and/or reduce, then I think Seble really shot himself in the foot by not trying to build a consensus and win over more of the existing coaches. Here is what I think will happen - WIS will send an email out about the changes to coaches who have previously played HD, touting the updates. Some of those coaches will dismiss this out of hand, but some will come and check it out. Out of those coaches who do investigate further, some will reach out to coaches they remember or that they were friendly with, to ask about the update. How is that going to turn out?
7/8/2016 10:51 AM
Posted by dacj501 on 7/7/2016 10:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 6:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by the0nlyis on 7/7/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?
Unfortunaley no, I assume that it will grow overtime without any advertising plus once I get my mac laptop I will be advertising whatifsports on youtube.
I don't know if I can be any help, but I'm a writer. Let me know if you need anything, you know, written.
You write poetry? I have biils to pay right now so I am kinda sorta in a tight budget right now and only make 12,000 a year working at a mcdondals. Right now its unrealistic for me to hire people I need a better JOB.... Sorry just venting LOL. For something that isn't worth going for it sure is on my mind a hella alot (going back to college). The only thing stopping me from going back is racking up tremendous debt.... I am already debt free so its kinda pointless for me to go back but instead work my way up to a better job. By the way is the life I chose. I am also saving up for a small apartment IDK where I am going to move to. The only logical place is to move in with my best friend who is a head cook at Hwy55 which I am a cook as well so I could possible get a job there. I want to move in with him after this year but I need a job first.
There once was a fry cook named Ward
Whose claims were awfully absurd
Dates head coaches' daughters
Told Lebron Cleveland's hotter!
Too bad he's still 0-54...
+1
7/8/2016 11:25 AM
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 10:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 7/7/2016 10:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 6:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by the0nlyis on 7/7/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?
Unfortunaley no, I assume that it will grow overtime without any advertising plus once I get my mac laptop I will be advertising whatifsports on youtube.
I don't know if I can be any help, but I'm a writer. Let me know if you need anything, you know, written.
You write poetry? I have biils to pay right now so I am kinda sorta in a tight budget right now and only make 12,000 a year working at a mcdondals. Right now its unrealistic for me to hire people I need a better JOB.... Sorry just venting LOL. For something that isn't worth going for it sure is on my mind a hella alot (going back to college). The only thing stopping me from going back is racking up tremendous debt.... I am already debt free so its kinda pointless for me to go back but instead work my way up to a better job. By the way is the life I chose. I am also saving up for a small apartment IDK where I am going to move to. The only logical place is to move in with my best friend who is a head cook at Hwy55 which I am a cook as well so I could possible get a job there. I want to move in with him after this year but I need a job first.
There once was a fry cook named Ward
Whose claims were awfully absurd
Dates head coaches' daughters
Told Lebron Cleveland's hotter!
Too bad he's still 0-54...
Not a bad poem, dac. But it needs to rhyme. Obviously all poems rhyme. /sarcasm

Not a poet, Ward. I write fiction. More education is never a bad idea, in my opinion. I had a chance to get my MFA a few years ago and didn't take it. I might get it at some point.
Is that some sort of degree MFA?
7/8/2016 11:26 AM
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/8/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 10:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 7/7/2016 10:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 6:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by the0nlyis on 7/7/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?
Unfortunaley no, I assume that it will grow overtime without any advertising plus once I get my mac laptop I will be advertising whatifsports on youtube.
I don't know if I can be any help, but I'm a writer. Let me know if you need anything, you know, written.
You write poetry? I have biils to pay right now so I am kinda sorta in a tight budget right now and only make 12,000 a year working at a mcdondals. Right now its unrealistic for me to hire people I need a better JOB.... Sorry just venting LOL. For something that isn't worth going for it sure is on my mind a hella alot (going back to college). The only thing stopping me from going back is racking up tremendous debt.... I am already debt free so its kinda pointless for me to go back but instead work my way up to a better job. By the way is the life I chose. I am also saving up for a small apartment IDK where I am going to move to. The only logical place is to move in with my best friend who is a head cook at Hwy55 which I am a cook as well so I could possible get a job there. I want to move in with him after this year but I need a job first.
There once was a fry cook named Ward
Whose claims were awfully absurd
Dates head coaches' daughters
Told Lebron Cleveland's hotter!
Too bad he's still 0-54...
Not a bad poem, dac. But it needs to rhyme. Obviously all poems rhyme. /sarcasm

Not a poet, Ward. I write fiction. More education is never a bad idea, in my opinion. I had a chance to get my MFA a few years ago and didn't take it. I might get it at some point.
Is that some sort of degree MFA?
A Master of Fine Arts, yes.
7/8/2016 11:32 AM
Posted by acn24 on 7/8/2016 10:51:00 AM (view original):
I agree with Mully on that point. You might not be able to go from unconsidered on the last cycle, but the ebay-style poaching will be a killer. How often did people complain about the 2 hour first cycle of recruiting? This creates an even tighter window that is much more important to hit.

I also agree that HD isn't going to die. You will see a sharp dropoff in the number of coaches, followed in a few months by a slight rebound to a number that is lower than the current user base. This is the cycle we've seen over the past few major updates. However, I suspect the game at this point is not that expensive to run, so it doesn't make sense to kill it as long as there are some paying users.

If old coaches returning is really a point where WIS is hoping will offset some of the folks who leave and/or reduce, then I think Seble really shot himself in the foot by not trying to build a consensus and win over more of the existing coaches. Here is what I think will happen - WIS will send an email out about the changes to coaches who have previously played HD, touting the updates. Some of those coaches will dismiss this out of hand, but some will come and check it out. Out of those coaches who do investigate further, some will reach out to coaches they remember or that they were friendly with, to ask about the update. How is that going to turn out?
My gut says not well, acn24. Someone (I don't remember who) recently said public opinion is so sour right now. Even if the update was good, or mostly good, people would still find something to complain about.

Seble's track record doesn't seem to be good, and that's putting it gently. So when you come out with a massive change like this, a change no one was even asking for, a sour public opinion gets even worse. I'm assuming current coaches won't have glowing things to say if/when they are asked. Which is too bad, because I think you're right -- a considerable number of old coaches will come back and try it. I'm just worried the tone here will inform their opinions before the actual update does.
7/8/2016 11:37 AM
if the update was good there wouldnt be negative backlash....

heck even if it was bad bt adressed things like jobs/recruit gen then it would be a lot more helpful than negative
7/8/2016 12:21 PM
Posted by pallas on 7/8/2016 11:32:00 AM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/8/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 10:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 7/7/2016 10:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by pallas on 7/7/2016 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by CoachWard95 on 7/7/2016 6:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by the0nlyis on 7/7/2016 5:19:00 PM (view original):
how will the population grow please enlighten us? are you going to go back onto ESPN and talk about HD for us?
Unfortunaley no, I assume that it will grow overtime without any advertising plus once I get my mac laptop I will be advertising whatifsports on youtube.
I don't know if I can be any help, but I'm a writer. Let me know if you need anything, you know, written.
You write poetry? I have biils to pay right now so I am kinda sorta in a tight budget right now and only make 12,000 a year working at a mcdondals. Right now its unrealistic for me to hire people I need a better JOB.... Sorry just venting LOL. For something that isn't worth going for it sure is on my mind a hella alot (going back to college). The only thing stopping me from going back is racking up tremendous debt.... I am already debt free so its kinda pointless for me to go back but instead work my way up to a better job. By the way is the life I chose. I am also saving up for a small apartment IDK where I am going to move to. The only logical place is to move in with my best friend who is a head cook at Hwy55 which I am a cook as well so I could possible get a job there. I want to move in with him after this year but I need a job first.
There once was a fry cook named Ward
Whose claims were awfully absurd
Dates head coaches' daughters
Told Lebron Cleveland's hotter!
Too bad he's still 0-54...
Not a bad poem, dac. But it needs to rhyme. Obviously all poems rhyme. /sarcasm

Not a poet, Ward. I write fiction. More education is never a bad idea, in my opinion. I had a chance to get my MFA a few years ago and didn't take it. I might get it at some point.
Is that some sort of degree MFA?
A Master of Fine Arts, yes.
I think you did a good job not taking that degree. Stuff like that will get your tremendous debt. Even my family says if you go to school just to get a degree then you shouldn't go however being a doctor, dentist, lawyer, nurse you should go for a degree other than that there is no point in going to a university.
7/8/2016 12:45 PM
Posted by mullycj on 7/8/2016 10:23:00 AM (view original):
"Some of the improvements that may have been reasons players in the past have left are the following: Poaching in the last cycle is not possible, at least to where someone cannot just appear out of nowhere in the last cycle. "

Chap, you can't be serious with that statement?
Poaching will be 10x worse now in this new update and I don't see how an experienced player like you can say otherwise. I can go from Moderate to Very High, not just in 1 CYCLE, but in the matter of 10 minutes!! If you are not on your phone/computer at 7:55 for a ASAP recruit then you could lose someone you could have been Very High on since cycle #1. And UNLIKE the current HD, you don't have a period to get him back.


What I meant Mully is that someone cannot just appear in the last cycle out of nowhere and snag a recruit that has been considering only you for the entire recruiting period. If they are moderate, then you have to be ready for them. But, it's impossible to go from nothing to the lead because you have to unlock scholarships. They do need to have some type of way to address the sniping issue though, at least to the point where a player will not sign the same cycle someone makes a big move to overtake the previous leader.

7/8/2016 6:13 PM
Ward we are trying to focus on HD. I'm fine with the friendly banter and unique but short off topic stuff but not the crazy politics rant in every thread!
7/8/2016 6:18 PM
so before you could send 2 HV and scholly and not be considered since other coaches put in more effort or they knock you off next cycle and then drop 50 HV last cycle and maybe sign him right away or next cycle with another 4 HV if even needed because the other coach has been off battling while you sit and wait, this is "sniping"

now you can put in enough action before to unlock everything get listed low/moderate and just wait and 7:55 just drop a ton of HV/ST to catch right up? The only thing you can't do is build up AP action credit without increasing your considering level and making it better?

So now its just a little easier to identify potential poaches because they will have to have some initial credit built up and every will be listed as low/very low instead of being knocked off right(as long as you don't miss the first 5 CV? [is that still a thing?])

No matter what there is nothing you can do to stop poaching that does not limit HV/CV, and if you limit HV/CV then it just comes down to getting lucky matching up with your preferences and AP becomes more important and super classes like 6-0-6 are way more deadly because while they don't have bonus large cash they will have the AP advantage as thats 60? more AP than a 3 scholly team?? So you have to accept poaching in some form or make the game rely more and more on luck to wipe out poaching to a certain extent. Personally poaching isn't as big of a problem as you guys make it out to be just like 6-6 superclasses, yes its super unrealistic to drop 40/50 HV in one cycle(yes spud you can even do this at D3!), but you can combat poaching, watch the first cycle see who pops up if you knock them off, remember that and follow the school, before signings check the schools around you and see how many openings, considering they have, like with my big 6 teams that are all low prestige I watch the big dogs and see are they mostly filled, does the coach normally fill all schollies or regularly take walkons? IS either ayer someone they would consideri? if so either expect to be poached and look for other options so it isn't a surprise and if you can be them out keep money available and drop it the cycle before to and after to prevent being poached, at worst you spend a few extra dollars that equates to what a couple hundred in carryover. And if you do get poached, maybe remember or even write down the coach name and be aware next recruiting period with their schollies openings.... It's not some completely unavoidable loss like how you guys think 6-6 are literally hitler and completely OP
7/8/2016 7:17 PM (edited)
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