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I wouldn't be too concerned with a little whining yo. If he doesn't care about full blown meltdowns, people leaving the game, or serious feedback concerning the new product...then I highly doubt that he's paying any real attention to the people already in favor of the new changes.

Posted by mullycj on 7/9/2016 9:31:00 AM (view original):

...does not allow C+ schools to compete with A+ schools."
This is one of the claims of the whiners screaming for change in HD. I call BULL$&!#.
I just sent this ticket in today.

This is for Seble. Stop listening to the whiners who say its not possible in the CURRENT system for a crappy team to compete with a great team. They are blaming HD for their inability to build a winning program and looking for YOU to put in changes that will somehow make them a better coach.

Prime example - last nights game.
I've taken a 2-25 team and in 3 seasons built a decent roster that just took down A+ Louisiana St. My classes were built with a C+ Prestige. LSU was built with an A+ prestige. Was it a lucky game?? YOU BET!! But it CAN be done with the CURRENT system.

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I have still not made the post season. But I feel like we are now competitive. And again, the players were brought in with a C/C+ prestige.

Arkansas has BCS conference money and, in time, the good baseline prestige will kick in as an additional benefit. Do what you are doing at Arkansas State. That would prove your premise.

uhhhhhhhhh....I think you need to look at that a little closer, dog.

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 2:37:00 PM (view original):
uhhhhhhhhh....I think you need to look at that a little closer, dog.

If this is directed towards me, I don't understand. mully is the coach at Arkansas - in the SEC - with 6 open scholarships his first season and all that postseason bonus cash to work with.

I guess I don't care either way since I dislike the new update. I'd rather have the current system that what is being cooked up in beta.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/9/2016 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 2:37:00 PM (view original):
uhhhhhhhhh....I think you need to look at that a little closer, dog.

If this is directed towards me, I don't understand. mully is the coach at Arkansas - in the SEC - with 6 open scholarships his first season and all that postseason bonus cash to work with.

I guess I don't care either way since I dislike the new update. I'd rather have the current system that what is being cooked up in beta.

yeah, my bad, looking back I probably threw too many h's on the back of that uh.

But Louisiana St, in hoops dynasty is in the SEC, so they have the exact same conference prestige, baseline prestige (right???), and bonus recruiting cash. Therefore, in the scenario laid out in the OP, Louisiana St. is an A+ prestige team and Arkansas is what it was claimed to be, no?

So, given that all things are on the level...a rose would smell as sweet by any other name...would it not? Not trying to be a dick, if I'm overlooking something then I got no problem admitting that I'm wrong yo.

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 3:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/9/2016 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 2:37:00 PM (view original):
uhhhhhhhhh....I think you need to look at that a little closer, dog.

If this is directed towards me, I don't understand. mully is the coach at Arkansas - in the SEC - with 6 open scholarships his first season and all that postseason bonus cash to work with.

I guess I don't care either way since I dislike the new update. I'd rather have the current system that what is being cooked up in beta.

yeah, my bad, looking back I probably threw too many h's on the back of that uh.

But Louisiana St, in hoops dynasty is in the SEC, so they have the exact same conference prestige, baseline prestige (right???), and bonus recruiting cash. Therefore, in the scenario laid out in the OP, Louisiana St. is an A+ prestige team and Arkansas is what it was claimed to be, no?

So, given that all things are on the level...a rose would smell as sweet by any other name...would it not? Not trying to be a dick, if I'm overlooking something then I got no problem admitting that I'm wrong yo.

Arkansas baseline is B+ and LSU is B.

Maybe I misunderstood what mully is driving at. IMHO, it is infinitely easier for a C+ Arkansas to compete with an A+ LSU than it is for a C+ (fill in your non-BCS or equivalent school of choice.) I thought mully was saying that his Arkansas example proves that ANY C+ school can compete. Any other (non-BCS or equivalent) school would not have been a C+ given that history, would not have had all the postseason bonus cash to maximize those 6 scholarships, would have dropped even more school prestige after a 2-25 year, etc.

That's all I'm saying.

LSU is a top level job, Arkansas is a low desired job. LSU is in one of the best recruiting spots in the game, Arkansas is in a terrible spot.

This is one of the times baseline is not important for those two schools, the better coach will always choose LSU over Arkansas if they are trying to win.

I think he was trying to imply a team built from C+ prestige was able to compete with an A+ prestige school which you think should never happen int he current system. But yes he had an advantageous situation compared to other C+'s but his school baseline and location were not positive reasons for his success.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/9/2016 4:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 3:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/9/2016 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 2:37:00 PM (view original):
uhhhhhhhhh....I think you need to look at that a little closer, dog.

If this is directed towards me, I don't understand. mully is the coach at Arkansas - in the SEC - with 6 open scholarships his first season and all that postseason bonus cash to work with.

I guess I don't care either way since I dislike the new update. I'd rather have the current system that what is being cooked up in beta.

yeah, my bad, looking back I probably threw too many h's on the back of that uh.

But Louisiana St, in hoops dynasty is in the SEC, so they have the exact same conference prestige, baseline prestige (right???), and bonus recruiting cash. Therefore, in the scenario laid out in the OP, Louisiana St. is an A+ prestige team and Arkansas is what it was claimed to be, no?

So, given that all things are on the level...a rose would smell as sweet by any other name...would it not? Not trying to be a dick, if I'm overlooking something then I got no problem admitting that I'm wrong yo.

Arkansas baseline is B+ and LSU is B.

Maybe I misunderstood what mully is driving at. IMHO, it is infinitely easier for a C+ Arkansas to compete with an A+ LSU than it is for a C+ (fill in your non-BCS or equivalent school of choice.) I thought mully was saying that his Arkansas example proves that ANY C+ school can compete. Any other (non-BCS or equivalent) school would not have been a C+ given that history, would not have had all the postseason bonus cash to maximize those 6 scholarships, would have dropped even more school prestige after a 2-25 year, etc.

That's all I'm saying.

For sure, but that's still well within the margin of error (if not more so in the regards of time and place), but I'll be the first to admit that I'm no Chester Copperpot...I meant David Copperfield...when it comes to that sector.

And to be absolutely fair, even though I think all three of us agree on this subject...I think its A LOT more difficult to prove this point on this level/situation than almost any other...even though I think it is exactly right, haha, but seriously though.

Posted by the0nlyis on 7/9/2016 5:05:00 PM (view original):
LSU is a top level job, Arkansas is a low desired job. LSU is in one of the best recruiting spots in the game, Arkansas is in a terrible spot.

This is one of the times baseline is not important for those two schools, the better coach will always choose LSU over Arkansas if they are trying to win.

I think he was trying to imply a team built from C+ prestige was able to compete with an A+ prestige school which you think should never happen int he current system. But yes he had an advantageous situation compared to other C+'s but his school baseline and location were not positive reasons for his success.

First and second lines - irrelevant. Nobody is focusing on job desirability and neither mully, nacho nor I discussed which school a better coach would rather have.

Final lines - I did not state anywhere that something should never happen in the current system. I assume you made that up to be argumentative. Baseline was a positive because Arkansas would have been lower than a C+ when mully took over if the baseline was not a B+. It indirectly helped his first recruiting class and prevented a larger prestige drop after a 2-25 season that would have impacted later recruit classes.

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/9/2016 4:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 3:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/9/2016 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 2:37:00 PM (view original):
uhhhhhhhhh....I think you need to look at that a little closer, dog.

If this is directed towards me, I don't understand. mully is the coach at Arkansas - in the SEC - with 6 open scholarships his first season and all that postseason bonus cash to work with.

I guess I don't care either way since I dislike the new update. I'd rather have the current system that what is being cooked up in beta.

yeah, my bad, looking back I probably threw too many h's on the back of that uh.

But Louisiana St, in hoops dynasty is in the SEC, so they have the exact same conference prestige, baseline prestige (right???), and bonus recruiting cash. Therefore, in the scenario laid out in the OP, Louisiana St. is an A+ prestige team and Arkansas is what it was claimed to be, no?

So, given that all things are on the level...a rose would smell as sweet by any other name...would it not? Not trying to be a dick, if I'm overlooking something then I got no problem admitting that I'm wrong yo.

Arkansas baseline is B+ and LSU is B.

Maybe I misunderstood what mully is driving at. IMHO, it is infinitely easier for a C+ Arkansas to compete with an A+ LSU than it is for a C+ (fill in your non-BCS or equivalent school of choice.) I thought mully was saying that his Arkansas example proves that ANY C+ school can compete. Any other (non-BCS or equivalent) school would not have been a C+ given that history, would not have had all the postseason bonus cash to maximize those 6 scholarships, would have dropped even more school prestige after a 2-25 year, etc.

That's all I'm saying.

For sure, but that's still well within the margin of error (if not more so in the regards of time and place), but I'll be the first to admit that I'm no Chester Copperpot...I meant David Copperfield...when it comes to that sector.

And to be absolutely fair, even though I think all three of us agree on this subject...I think its A LOT more difficult to prove this point on this level/situation than almost any other...even though I think it is exactly right, haha, but seriously though.

Yeah, I'll concur with this completely.

sorry I didn't mean to write "you" think I meant "we would think" a C+ wouldn't be able to recruit a team that could compete with a A+ team that kinda changes the meaning of what I was saying there. And anyway we aren't talking about what happened at Arkansas before he got there if it was under a C+ would he have even taken the job who knows, baseline had an impact in him probably taking the job because it maintained a C+ instead of dropping lower, but I don't think people look out to take Arkansas because of its B+ baseline, I'm at Cal and olnly dropped from C+ to C after an 0-27 season so I don't think his baseline really helped there because thats the same as what happened to me.

You were just focusing on job desirability about how Arkansas has SEC money and B+ baseline compared to other B6 and non B6 schools? How is that talking about job desirability.

It seemed you were dismaying what he was saying and misunderstanding that he wasn't talking about C+ competing in recruiting or long term against A+ LSU, but rather in a single instance his C+ recruited team was able to compete in a game with A+ LSU this wasn't talking about long term impacts or anything just that a C+ team was able to compete with an A+ team

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/9/2016 5:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/9/2016 4:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 3:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/9/2016 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by nachopuzzle on 7/9/2016 2:37:00 PM (view original):
uhhhhhhhhh....I think you need to look at that a little closer, dog.

If this is directed towards me, I don't understand. mully is the coach at Arkansas - in the SEC - with 6 open scholarships his first season and all that postseason bonus cash to work with.

I guess I don't care either way since I dislike the new update. I'd rather have the current system that what is being cooked up in beta.

yeah, my bad, looking back I probably threw too many h's on the back of that uh.

But Louisiana St, in hoops dynasty is in the SEC, so they have the exact same conference prestige, baseline prestige (right???), and bonus recruiting cash. Therefore, in the scenario laid out in the OP, Louisiana St. is an A+ prestige team and Arkansas is what it was claimed to be, no?

So, given that all things are on the level...a rose would smell as sweet by any other name...would it not? Not trying to be a dick, if I'm overlooking something then I got no problem admitting that I'm wrong yo.

Arkansas baseline is B+ and LSU is B.

Maybe I misunderstood what mully is driving at. IMHO, it is infinitely easier for a C+ Arkansas to compete with an A+ LSU than it is for a C+ (fill in your non-BCS or equivalent school of choice.) I thought mully was saying that his Arkansas example proves that ANY C+ school can compete. Any other (non-BCS or equivalent) school would not have been a C+ given that history, would not have had all the postseason bonus cash to maximize those 6 scholarships, would have dropped even more school prestige after a 2-25 year, etc.

That's all I'm saying.

For sure, but that's still well within the margin of error (if not more so in the regards of time and place), but I'll be the first to admit that I'm no Chester Copperpot...I meant David Copperfield...when it comes to that sector.

And to be absolutely fair, even though I think all three of us agree on this subject...I think its A LOT more difficult to prove this point on this level/situation than almost any other...even though I think it is exactly right, haha, but seriously though.

Yeah, I'll concur with this completely.

ahhhhhhhh, the word 'concur' really gets me off...but only because of the movie Crimson Tide. Although, that's not my favorite submarine movie, by far, yo.

The pony conversation is awesome.