So I know we're not doing realignment, but just in case at some point in the future it becomes feasible, maybe we can use the Div-2 Realignment I put together below as a template.

From what I could figure out, and this may be off a little or a lot…
- In real life:
- Division 2 has 311 schools.
- 309 of these schools are in 23 conferences.
- 2 schools are independent.

Again, in real life:
- 311 real life D-2 schools.
- 248 of these schools are currently in HD Div-2.
- 6 schools used to be in HD Div-3, but have upgraded to Div-2 during the period since HD was created.
- 57 schools were not in HD at all, either because they were left out the first round, or because they started new programs in Div-2 during the period since HD was created.

- In current HD:
- Division -2 has 276 schools.
- 248 of these schools are still currently in real life Div-2.
- 28 of these schools have either upgraded, downgraded, or collapsed.

So the way my realignment runs:
- there are still 23 conferences (a couple have different names).
- 12 teams per conference.
- 276 total schools were used, of the 311 in real life Div-2.
- 35 real life Div-2 schools were not used.

- 255 schools are in their correct real-life Div-2 conference.
- 21 schools were placed in a different conference than in real life (indicated in the list in CAPITAL LETTERS)... EDIT-- 24 schools are in different conferences compared to real life now, because I placed the three Puerto Rico schools in the Pacific West to keep the cool PR schools.

- - - - - - -

1 CALIFORNIA
UC San Diego
CS Chico
Cal Poly Pomona
Humboldt State
CSU Monterey Bay
CS Dominguez Hills
San Francisco State
CSU Los Angeles
Sonoma State
CSU Stanislaus
CSU San Bernardino
CSU East Bay

- - - - - - -

2 CENTRAL ATLANTIC
Holy Family
Philadelphia
Bloomfield
Univ of the Sciences
Post
Caldwell
Wilmington DE
Dominican College
Nyack
Goldey Beacom
Felician
Chestnut Hill - former D-3

- - - - - - -

3 CENTRAL INTERCOLLEGIATE
Virginia State
Chowan - former D-3
Bowie State
Virginia Union
Johnson Smith
Shaw
Livingstone
Fayetteville State
Lincoln PA
Winston Salem State
St Augustine's
Elizabeth City State

- - - - - - -

4 CONFERENCE CAROLINAS
Barton
Lee McRae
Mount Olive
Pfeiffer
Limestone
Erskine
North Greenville
Belmont Abbey
King College Tenn - new
Emmanuel GA - new
Southern Wesleyan - new
UPPER IOWA - former D-3.

- - - - - - -

5 EAST COAST
St Thomas Aquinas
New York Tech
Molloy
LIU Post
Bridgeport
Mercy
Queens NY
U of dc
CONCORDIA NY
ADELPHI
SOUTHERN NEW HAMPSHIRE
NEW HAVEN
Note: Dowling collapsed in real life

- - - - - - -

6 GREAT AMERICAN
Harding
East Central Oklahoma
Ouachita
S. Arkansas
SW Oklahoma State
So Nazarene
Arkansas Tech
SE Oklahoma
NW Oklahoma
Ark Monticello
Henderson State
Oklahoma Baptist

- - - - - - -

7 GREAT LAKES
Ashland
Saginaw Valley State
Findlay
Ferris State
Lake Superior State
Hillsdale
Wayne State Mich
Grand Valley State
Northwood Mich
Michigan Tech
Northern Michigan
Tiffin

- - - - - - -

8 GREAT LAKES VALLEY
WIsc Parkside
Bellarmine
Indianapolis
St Joseph's IN
Lewis
Quincy
Missouri St Louis
Southern Indiana
Rockhurst
Drury
Truman State
Missouri S&T

- - - - - - -

9 GREAT MIDWEST
Kentucky Wesleyan
Salem International
Alderson Broaddus
Davis & Elkins
Ohio Valley
WEST CHESTER (actually in Penn State Conf)
MERCYHURST (actually in Penn State Conf)
PITT JOHNSTOWN (actually in Penn State Conf)
SLIPPERY ROCK (actually in Penn State Conf)
GANNON (actually in Penn State Conf)
SETON HILL (actually in Penn State Conf)
LAKE ERIE (actually in Great Lakes)

- - - - - - -

10 GREAT NORTHWEST
Seattle Pacific
Central Washington
St Martin's
Mont State Billings
Nw Nazarene
Western Oregon
Alaska (Fairbanks)
Alaska Anchorage
Western Washington
Simon Fraser - new
BLACK HILLS STATE - new (actually in Rocky Mountain)
SOUTH DAKOTA MINES - new (actually in Rocky Mountain)

- - - - - - -

11 GULF SOUTH
Alabama Huntsville
West Georgia
Delta State
Valdosta State
West Florida
North Alabama
West Alabama
Christian Brothers
Mississippi College - former D-3
Union Tenn - new
Shorter - new
Lee Tenn - new

- - - - - - -

12 LONE STAR
Midwest Texas State
Tarleton State
Angelo State
Eastern New Mexico
Cameron
aTm Commerce
aTm Kingsville
West Texas aTm
ST EDWARD'S (actually in Heartland)
ST MARY'S TX (actually in Heartland)
PANHANDLE STATE (actually in Heartland)
LINCOLN MO (actually in Midamerica)

- - - - - - -

13 MID-AMERICA
Nw Missouri State
Southwest Baptist
Missouri Southern
Missouri Western State
Central Missouri
Central Oklahoma
Emporia State
Pittsburg State
Washburn
Nebraska Kearney
Fort Hays State
Northeastern State Oklahoma

- - - - - - -

14 MOUNTAIN EAST
West Liberty
Shepherd
Fairmont State
Concord
Glenville State
Charleston Wv
West Virginia State
Wheeling Jesuit
West Virginia Wesleyan
Urbana - new
OAKLAND CITY (actually Independent)
BLUEFIELD STATE (actually independent)

- - - - - - -

15 NORTHEAST-10
Southern Connecticut
St Michael's
Bentley
Assumption
St Anselm
Pace
Franklin Pierce
St Rose
Merrimack
American International
LeMoyne
Stonehill

- - - - - - -

16 NORTHERN SUN
Minn Crookston
Msu Moorhead
Minn Duluth
Winona State
Concordia Minn
Northern State SD
Southwest Minnesota
Bemidji State
St Cloud State
Augustana SD
Minnesota State Mankato
Wayne State Nebraska

- - - - - - -

17 PACIFIC WEST
Hawaii Pacific
Chaminade
Hawaii Hilo
PUERTO RICO CAYEY
PUERTO RICO BAYAMON
PUERTO RICO RIO PIEDRAS
Notre Dame de Namur - new
Holy Names - new
Azusa Pacific - new
Academy of Art - new
Point Loma Nazarene - new
Dominican of California - new
Note: Byu Hawaii will be dropping athletics in 2017. Concordia Irvine, Fresno Pacific and California Baptist were originally included here, but instead I replaced them with the 3 Puerto Rico schools in Cayey, Bayamon and Rio Piedras. Creates a cool cross continent conference in the spirit of HD's North American Conference, which I had eliminated.

- - - - - - -

18 PEACH BELT
Lander
Columbus State
SC Aiken
Georgia Regents
Georgia C&S
Armstrong Atlantic
Clayton State
UNC Pembroke
Francis Marion
North Georgia
Montevallo
Young Harris - new

- - - - - - -

19 PENNSYLVANIA STATE
Kutztown
Indiana Pa
Mansfield
East Stroudsburg
Millersville
Shippensburg
Bloomsburg
California Pa
Edinboro
Clarion
Cheyney
Lock Haven

- - - - - - -

20 ROCKY MOUNTAIN
Fort Lewis
Colorado Mines
Colo Mesa
Metropolitan State
Colo Colorado Springs
Colorado Christian
Csu Pueblo
Adams State
Regis
Chadron State
Western New Mexico
New Mexico Highlands

- - - - - - -

21 SOUTH ATLANTIC
Lincoln Memorial
Queens NC
Wingate
Lenoir Rhyne
Newberry
Carson Newman
Catawba
Tusculum
Coker
Mars Hill
Anderson SC
Brevard - new

- - - - - - -

22 SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE
Paine
Miles
Lane
Benedict
Fort Valley State
LeMoyne Owen
Morehouse
Tuskegee
Kentucky State
Clark Atlanta
Albany State GA
Central State Ohio

- - - - - - -

23 SUNSHINE STATE
Eckerd
Barry
Rollins
St Leo
Lynn
Nova Southeastern
Florida Tech
Florida Southern
Tampa
Embry Riddle Fla - new to D-2
Palm Beach Atlantic - new to D-2
STILLMAN - up from D-3

BYUH is about to cancel its athletic program after 16/17, you may want to adjust for that

I think Upper Iowa is the only one placed crazily out of their geographic area.

Posted by kcsundevil on 8/4/2016 4:15:00 PM (view original):
BYUH is about to cancel its athletic program after 16/17, you may want to adjust for that

ok thanks!

West Chester is pretty far out too. That's on the eastern side of the state. I'd swap them with Lock Haven or California (PA). One of the state schools out near Pittsburgh

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/4/2016 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by npb7768 on 8/4/2016 4:47:00 PM (view original):
So I know we're not doing realignment, but just in case at some point in the future it becomes feasible, maybe we can use the Div-2 Realignment I put together below as a template.

From what I could figure out, and this may be off a little or a lot…
- In real life:
- Division 2 has 311 schools.
- 309 of these schools are in 23 conferences.
- 2 schools are independent.

Again, in real life:
- 311 real life D-2 schools.
- 248 of these schools are currently in HD Div-2.
- 6 schools used to be in HD Div-3, but have upgraded to Div-2 during the period since HD was created.
- 57 schools were not in HD at all, either because they were left out the first round, or because they started new programs in Div-2 during the period since HD was created.

- In current HD:
- Division -2 has 276 schools.
- 248 of these schools are still currently in real life Div-2.
- 28 of these schools have either upgraded, downgraded, or collapsed.

So the way my realignment runs:
- there are still 23 conferences (a couple have different names).
- 12 teams per conference.
- 276 total schools were used, of the 311 in real life Div-2.
- 35 real life Div-2 schools were not used.

- 255 schools are in their correct real-life Div-2 conference.
- 21 schools were placed in a different conference than in real life (indicated in the list in CAPITAL LETTERS).

- - - - - - -

1 CALIFORNIA
UC San Diego
CS Chico
Cal Poly Pomona
Humboldt State
CSU Monterey Bay
CS Dominguez Hills
San Francisco State
CSU Los Angeles
Sonoma State
CSU Stanislaus
CSU San Bernardino
CSU East Bay

- - - - - - -

2 CENTRAL ATLANTIC
Holy Family
Philadelphia
Bloomfield
Univ of the Sciences
Post
Caldwell
Wilmington DE
Dominican College
Nyack
Goldey Beacom
Felician
Chestnut Hill - former D-3

- - - - - - -

3 CENTRAL INTERCOLLEGIATE
Virginia State
Chowan - former D-3
Bowie State
Virginia Union
Johnson Smith
Shaw
Livingstone
Fayetteville State
Lincoln PA
Winston Salem State
St Augustine's
Elizabeth City State

- - - - - - -

4 CONFERENCE CAROLINAS
Barton
Lee McRae
Mount Olive
Pfeiffer
Limestone
Erskine
North Greenville
Belmont Abbey
King College Tenn - new
Emmanuel GA - new
Southern Wesleyan - new
UPPER IOWA - former D-3.

- - - - - - -

5 EAST COAST
St Thomas Aquinas
New York Tech
Molloy
LIU Post
Bridgeport
Mercy
Queens NY
U of dc
CONCORDIA NY
ADELPHI
SOUTHERN NEW HAMPSHIRE
NEW HAVEN
Note: Dowling collapsed in real life

- - - - - - -

6 GREAT AMERICAN
Harding
East Central Oklahoma
Ouachita
S. Arkansas
SW Oklahoma State
So Nazarene
Arkansas Tech
SE Oklahoma
NW Oklahoma
Ark Monticello
Henderson State
Oklahoma Baptist

- - - - - - -

7 GREAT LAKES
Ashland
Saginaw Valley State
Findlay
Ferris State
Lake Superior State
Hillsdale
Wayne State Mich
Grand Valley State
Northwood Mich
Michigan Tech
Northern Michigan
Tiffin

- - - - - - -

8 GREAT LAKES VALLEY
WIsc Parkside
Bellarmine
Indianapolis
St Joseph's IN
Lewis
Quincy
Missouri St Louis
Southern Indiana
Rockhurst
Drury
Truman State
Missouri S&T

- - - - - - -

9 GREAT MIDWEST
Kentucky Wesleyan
Salem International
Alderson Broaddus
Davis & Elkins
Ohio Valley
WEST CHESTER (actually in Penn State Conf)
MERCYHURST (actually in Penn State Conf)
PITT JOHNSTOWN (actually in Penn State Conf)
SLIPPERY ROCK (actually in Penn State Conf)
GANNON (actually in Penn State Conf)
SETON HILL (actually in Penn State Conf)
LAKE ERIE (actually in Great Lakes)

- - - - - - -

10 GREAT NORTHWEST
Seattle Pacific
Central Washington
St Martin's
Mont State Billings
Nw Nazarene
Western Oregon
Alaska (Fairbanks)
Alaska Anchorage
Western Washington
Simon Fraser - new
BLACK HILLS STATE - new (actually in Rocky Mountain)
SOUTH DAKOTA MINES - new (actually in Rocky Mountain)

- - - - - - -

11 GULF SOUTH
Alabama Huntsville
West Georgia
Delta State
Valdosta State
West Florida
North Alabama
West Alabama
Christian Brothers
Mississippi College - former D-3
Union Tenn - new
Shorter - new
Lee Tenn - new

- - - - - - -

12 LONE STAR
Midwest Texas State
Tarleton State
Angelo State
Eastern New Mexico
Cameron
aTm Commerce
aTm Kingsville
West Texas aTm
ST EDWARD'S (actually in Heartland)
ST MARY'S TX (actually in Heartland)
PANHANDLE STATE (actually in Heartland)
LINCOLN MO (actually in Midamerica)

- - - - - - -

13 MID-AMERICA
Nw Missouri State
Southwest Baptist
Missouri Southern
Missouri Western State
Central Missouri
Central Oklahoma
Emporia State
Pittsburg State
Washburn
Nebraska Kearney
Fort Hays State
Northeastern State Oklahoma

- - - - - - -

14 MOUNTAIN EAST
West Liberty
Shepherd
Fairmont State
Concord
Glenville State
Charleston Wv
West Virginia State
Wheeling Jesuit
West Virginia Wesleyan
Urbana - new
OAKLAND CITY (actually Independent)
BLUEFIELD STATE (actually independent)

- - - - - - -

15 NORTHEAST-10
Southern Connecticut
St Michael's
Bentley
Assumption
St Anselm
Pace
Franklin Pierce
St Rose
Merrimack
American International
LeMoyne
Stonehill

- - - - - - -

16 NORTHERN SUN
Minn Crookston
Msu Moorhead
Minn Duluth
Winona State
Concordia Minn
Northern State SD
Southwest Minnesota
Bemidji State
St Cloud State
Augustana SD
Minnesota State Mankato
Wayne State Nebraska

- - - - - - -

17 PACIFIC WEST
Hawaii Pacific
Chaminade
Hawaii Hilo
Concordia Irvine - new
California Baptist - new
Notre Dame de Namur - new
Holy Names - new
Azusa Pacific - new
Academy of Art - new
Point Loma Nazarene - new
Fresno Pacific - new
Dominican of California - new
Note: Byu Hawaii will be dropping athletics in 2017.

- - - - - - -

18 PEACH BELT
Lander
Columbus State
SC Aiken
Georgia Regents
Georgia C&S
Armstrong Atlantic
Clayton State
UNC Pembroke
Francis Marion
North Georgia
Montevallo
Young Harris - new

- - - - - - -

19 PENNSYLVANIA STATE
Kutztown
Indiana Pa
Mansfield
East Stroudsburg
Millersville
Shippensburg
Bloomsburg
California Pa
Edinboro
Clarion
Cheyney
Lock Haven

- - - - - - -

20 ROCKY MOUNTAIN
Fort Lewis
Colorado Mines
Colo Mesa
Metropolitan State
Colo Colorado Springs
Colorado Christian
Csu Pueblo
Adams State
Regis
Chadron State
Western New Mexico
New Mexico Highlands

- - - - - - -

21 SOUTH ATLANTIC
Lincoln Memorial
Queens NC
Wingate
Lenoir Rhyne
Newberry
Carson Newman
Catawba
Tusculum
Coker
Mars Hill
Anderson SC
Brevard - new

- - - - - - -

22 SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE
Paine
Miles
Lane
Benedict
Fort Valley State
LeMoyne Owen
Morehouse
Tuskegee
Kentucky State
Clark Atlanta
Albany State GA
Central State Ohio

- - - - - - -

23 SUNSHINE STATE
Eckerd
Barry
Rollins
St Leo
Lynn
Nova Southeastern
Florida Tech
Florida Southern
Tampa
Embry Riddle Fla - new to D-2
Palm Beach Atlantic - new to D-2
STILLMAN - up from D-3

That's great but most people want to keep conferences the same so they can be with their conference mates.

lets not quote the entire post if its super long....

That's great but most people want to keep conferences the same so they can be with their conference mates.

Posted by cubcub113 on 8/4/2016 8:26:00 PM (view original):
That's great but most people want to keep conferences the same so they can be with their conference mates.

I would think most people want to play in 2016--not 2002.

Id be a little bummed if chestnut hill moved to D2 since i play with 4 other friends in the same conference.

But updating conferences does make sense.

Hate to move Palm Beach Atlantic to DII. It is such a unique DIII location.

Why did you kill the three Puerto Rico schools? I think they should stay.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/4/2016 11:27:00 PM (view original):
Hate to move Palm Beach Atlantic to DII. It is such a unique DIII location.

Why did you kill the three Puerto Rico schools? I think they should stay.

Hey gomiami,
Yeah, I want to work the Puerto Rico schools in. I looked at an end of season Div-2 Standings page, but didn't find any of them listed, not even under Independents (only Oakland City and Bluefield State were shown as indies). I would have placed the three PR's back in the Sunshine State, but that conference is in the process of adding Palm Beach Atlantic and Embry-Riddle as 10th and 11th teams. With the final 12th spot I had a chance to place Stillman, which is the 13th team in the SIAC and was without another compatible home.

I could stuff the 3 PR's into the Pacific West, creating a kind of cool cross-country grouping... the Pacific West has a bunch of teams that would be new to HD, but maybe we can dump Concordia Irvine (joined Pac West in 2015), Fresno Pacific (2012) and Cal Baptist (2011), to make room for Rio Piedras, Bayamon, and Cayey.

Holy Names (founded 1868 in Oakland), Azusa Pacific (founded 1899 east of Pasadena) and Point Loma (founded 1902 in San Diego) joined the Pac West in 2012 (later than Cal Baptist), but those 3 have been around longer by at least 50 years.

Ok, the PR's are in the Pac West now.