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Quote: Originally Posted By jjboogie on 4/03/2007the lack of new coaches is probably still caused more by a lack of strategic marketing and advertising if you ask me...

Agree 100%.

During the NCAA tournament, I found myself wishing that WiS had signed on with CBS instead of Fox. With the number of serious hoops fans watching, imagine the impact if just ONCE during each game, the announcers had referenced the site. (God knows they mentioned Pontiac enough times to make me want to go sledgehammer a Bonneville into scrap metal, although since it is a Pontiac it probably already qualifies.)

They wouldn't have even had to push HD. They could have simply said "To see how your favorite great college basketball team from the past stacks up against this year's final four..." blah blah blah...

My guess is that the site would have been swamped, and new HD worlds would have been needed to handle all of the people who came, saw it, and wanted to try it.

I have yet to see any mention of WiS during any Fox telecast of any program. Not that I watch much TV, but still.

4/3/2007 2:30 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted By davis on 4/03/2007
Quote: Originally Posted By jjboogie on 4/03/2007
the lack of new coaches is probably still caused more by a lack of strategic marketing and advertising if you ask me...
Agree 100%.

During the NCAA tournament, I found myself wishing that WiS had signed on with CBS instead of Fox. With the number of serious hoops fans watching, imagine the impact if just ONCE during each game, the announcers had referenced the site. (God knows they mentioned Pontiac enough times to make me want to go sledgehammer a Bonneville into scrap metal, although since it is a Pontiac it probably already qualifies.)

They wouldn't have even had to push HD. They could have simply said "To see how your favorite great college basketball team from the past stacks up against this year's final four..." blah blah blah...

My guess is that the site would have been swamped, and new HD worlds would have been needed to handle all of the people who came, saw it, and wanted to try it.

I have yet to see any mention of WiS during any Fox telecast of any program. Not that I watch much TV, but still.

Classic.

My guess is that with the proper marketing, they could double or triple their users practically overnight.

4/3/2007 3:24 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted By cbriese on 4/03/2007
To dispel the myth that new players to DIII don't have an opportunity for success, take a look at the Naismith DIII playoffs going on right now. In the field of 64, here's this season's demographic:
Years experience Number of teams
One season 7
Two seasons 9
Three seasons 9
Four to five seasons 9
Six to nine seasons 11
10 to 14 seasons 9
15 to 21 seasons 9
Average: 6.8 seasons/team
39% of the teams in this year's tournament are in their third season or less, likely playing with someone else's seniors. Note that these include two #1 seeds, a #2 seed and a #3 seed. More than half of the field is in their fifth season or less.

Yea but who wins the tournament?

4/3/2007 3:26 PM

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And how many good coaches don't have a NT to their name in Naismith?

mwmanley's Texas, Dallas team is #2 in DIII winning percentage. No national titles. He's been there since season 6.

ajcrawford69 had Medaille from seasons 5-20, won 317 games. No national titles.

vandydave has had W. Conn. St. since season 4. 8th in DIII winning percentage. No national titles.

Quite frankly, most new users shouldn't be able to win a national title. I would hope that learning the game is complex enough to where any schmoe can't just sign up and win one in his first or second season without a TON of homework.

4/3/2007 4:00 PM

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I like the 12 team little world idea- my suggestion for all- Juco world. Only first or second season coaches here. There, you can get your success, build a team over two seasons (learn the effect of recruiting, and offseason development), then go play with the big boys.

DIII is not designed to be a learning pad, currently, it's just an entry level. With no place to learn, the pro-active coach (posting here, sitemailing also) will learn, but the coach who simply wants to sit and win will never learn.

4/3/2007 4:08 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted By steviescott on 4/03/2007
And how many good coaches don't have a NT to their name in Naismith?
Quite frankly, most new users shouldn't be able to win a national title. .

I was a slow learner in Naismith DIII. I've been at Delaware Valley for 20 seasons. I didnt' make the national tournament until my 11th season.

Overall, I've won 63% of my games there and made the NT in 6 of the past 7 years. I have yet to advance past the Elite Eight but I'm still trying!

4/3/2007 4:24 PM

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I'm always mystified when I see posts than want long-term DIII coaches 'penalized' in some way.

As vandydave said, not all coaches want to advance to DI. I have 9 teams, five at DII and four at DIII. At most of them, I've been there 10+ years. I've never even looked at the DI schools to see which ones I could get.

Why not DI? I've always admired a RL coach who stays at the same small school their entire careers. My goal is be that kind of coach.

4/3/2007 4:30 PM

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Also, the vets add a lot to the DIII landscape -- sharing their knowledge and helping out new coaches.

4/3/2007 4:34 PM

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From what I've seen the conferences that have coaches staying long term trying to build dynasties are also the conferences having the most fun. They build rivalries and relationships (good or bad) with the other coaches in the league and have a lot of fun. Isn't that the point of this game? To have some fun?

4/3/2007 4:39 PM

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Kelby... how dare you... we're here to have fun?

I thought I was here to win every single championship at every level...

I think that's the part a lot of folks miss about DIII "dynasties", being in a good DIII conference (at least for me) is much more fun that DII, and what I've seen of DI.

4/3/2007 5:17 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted By steviescott on 4/03/2007
And how many good coaches don't have a NT to their name in Naismith?
mwmanley's Texas, Dallas team is #2 in DIII winning percentage. No national titles. He's been there since season 6.
ajcrawford69 had Medaille from seasons 5-20, won 317 games. No national titles.
vandydave has had W. Conn. St. since season 4. 8th in DIII winning percentage. No national titles.
Quite frankly, most new users shouldn't be able to win a national title. I would hope that learning the game is complex enough to where any schmoe can't just sign up and win one in his first or second season without a TON of homework.

hey, be quiet already! i did make a NT Championship game once with them (feeble attempt to defend reputation)

4/3/2007 5:26 PM

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and im glad i didnt get "discouraged" early on, no postseason my first two years there, and clearly took some lumps in season 4 as it was my first HD season ever:

5	vandydave	20-8	9-4	10-3	1-1	10-6	89
4	vandydave	12-16	8-4	3-11	1-1	8-8	224
3	alebear	11-18	4-9	5-8	2-1	6-10	192
2	alebear	11-16	6-7	5-8	0-1	8-8	226

4/3/2007 5:29 PM

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I think we have to be careful drawing conclusions from the number of years a coach has been at a program. I took over my DIII wooden team with an alias, and I would venture to guess that many of us have done that. As far as my record with that username goes, it looks like I'm a total newb who stumbled onto a good team. While I have nights where I coach like that, thanks to daalter, wolfepack and paland I win more than I lose.

The other thing is that you can be a rookie in one world, but if you have spent a few seasons in HD you know what kind of team to grab at the start. I have had success early on with two DIII teams that had good reputations, so I was able to recruit well. Again, it looks like I made it to post-season in my first season in HD, but I had some brutal seasons before taking over those teams.

For me some of the fun was the journey, getting that first really good recruit, starting to get some guys some awards, getting to the postseason bubble, and then breaking through. I agree with whoever said that if that part isn't fun for someone, they're missing a big part of what HD represents.

4/3/2007 8:19 PM

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As someone who just signed up for the game for the first time and awaits the roll over in Nasmith here is my 2 cents.

I enjoy HBD. The only way I found this site was through another site's forum when a poster was trying to drum up a sim baseball league. I enjoy sim baseball but HBD is by far the best. I have tried NBA, and College football but did not enjoy either.

Here were the few things that held me back from playing this game earlier.

1. The tour is down and there is no way to check things out aside from the forums.

2. I wanted much more controll than NBA offered. This appears to have it but I have yet to actually play the game.

3. I was worried that being 22 seasons behind some that many of the top DI jobs have been snagged. Not that I am in a rush to get there but at some point I would like to join a new world where we all had aproximently equal footing. That is one thing I enjoyed about HBD.

4/3/2007 9:01 PM

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Just to clarify, I didn't mean to offend anyone that is running the table with their DIII dynasty. Again, I'm in business myself and if that's what the consumer wants, then by all means, I'm going to let it go.

Part of me wishes that I ran into one of these juggernauts in any of my 1st 3 leagues so far, but that's not the case. Playing in Allen, Smith and Tark, I see a few guys that are flat out dominating the top rankings and I know that it would really take me 7-8 seasons to be able to compete with them. At that same time, I'm probably not the normal guy that joins HD. I love the numbers, I love the results of my efforts in trying to learn and I like the growing pains that come with developing my own playstyle. (And maybe in season II of each world I'll figure out how to not spend all my recruiting money without signing a single decent recruit!)

Most of my comments were just based on generalizations of what a new user might see. Like it or not, we are in an instant gratification society, so that does have to be factored in.

As for the mentoring process, that would be an excellent idea. I would even suggest as many as 24 teams, with at least 16 being user controlled. It will be nice for the guys to see that they can take a few breathers with some of the SimAI teams.

Personally, I've played some form of fantasy sport or sim, for quite a long time. During one stint in another "sim type" game, I was actually that veteran manager that had a huge advantage over the "noobs." We did end up creating a mentoring league and it actually went on to develop some of the most dedicated and strongest players that our game had. One thing that I would caution is that quite a few vets "think" that they would enjoy being that mentor, but there is definitely a major commitment involved. (Imagine answering the question of which attribute effects which part of the game 5 times a week!)

As for the FAQs, well, I agree with whoever the poster was that cracked on them. As a new user I read these forums from front to back and looked at the dev chats in detail. In the end, I put about 30% of what I read in the FAQs to use and picked up the other 70% from the veteran's comments and what I've learned in my own short time of playing.

(Right now it's the basics for me. I'm focusing on 1 type of D, 1 type of O and mixing up coaching styles amongst 3 teams to see what the results are like. I can see my development in this game taking at least 3-4 seasons per World, before I'll be ready to play at a high level.)

Keep the thoughts rolling though, I've seen a lot of good ideas over the last 24hrs.

4/3/2007 9:42 PM

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