Season wrap-up conspiracy theory. Topic

Ok, Iba has just wrapped up, where Rhode Island, a 708 3rd place team won the national championship, but that's another subject.

In that world my Utah team finished 2nd in conf., won the conf. tourney, and went to the second round of the NT.  We stayed at a B- prestige.  Ok, that sucks, and under the old sim engine I definitely would have went up to a B, but fine.  My problem is that Colorado, with a coach that I believe was on the verge of being fired; had 103 rpi and didn't make the postseason in any way, also stayed at and B- and the coach was retained (good for him). 

Point:  If there are going to be more "diversity" of recruits, isn't it important that less teams have access to the best ones?  This just may be some kind of glitch in the new sim, but with the way the new recruit generation looks to me, the possibility for great match up disparity looks to be possible from position to position from team to team.  There probably aren't going to be starting line ups of 99 defenders at every position anymore for mid major teams unless you sell out for it.  That good.  But holding teams back to  create more variance in team prestige ( I sent in a ticket and I'm just waiting for them to rank it to conference prestige), sucks.
7/5/2010 9:23 AM (edited)
I don't think anything changed in the prestige determining department.
7/5/2010 9:30 AM
That has been my complaint the last few days looking at the new generated recruits.
7/5/2010 10:17 AM
Posted by jaggedendz on 7/5/2010 10:17:00 AM (view original):
That has been my complaint the last few days looking at the new generated recruits.
My son and I both left the Horizon league in world 6, I will not play the game from the mid or low levels at d1 the way recruits are generated now.
7/5/2010 10:42 AM
OR ~ What is your complaint with recruit generation?   That the best guys are too good and if you aren't recruiting with an A prestige you got no shot of an NT?  I can see that argument right now for sure....seems like recruit quality went up 1-5, then down everywhere else.
7/5/2010 12:28 PM
I'm still waiting for that conspiracy theory...
7/5/2010 12:49 PM
Posted by reinsel on 7/5/2010 9:30:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anything changed in the prestige determining department.
i echo that
7/5/2010 12:53 PM
Posted by antonsirius on 7/5/2010 12:49:00 PM (view original):
I'm still waiting for that conspiracy theory...
Lol, I was thinking the same thing.
7/5/2010 5:53 PM
Posted by bigbuck75 on 7/5/2010 9:23:00 AM (view original):
Ok, Iba has just wrapped up, where Rhode Island, a 708 3rd place team won the national championship, but that's another subject.

In that world my Utah team finished 2nd in conf., won the conf. tourney, and went to the second round of the NT.  We stayed at a B- prestige.  Ok, that sucks, and under the old sim engine I definitely would have went up to a B, but fine.  My problem is that Colorado, with a coach that I believe was on the verge of being fired; had 103 rpi and didn't make the postseason in any way, also stayed at and B- and the coach was retained (good for him). 

Point:  If there are going to be more "diversity" of recruits, isn't it important that less teams have access to the best ones?  This just may be some kind of glitch in the new sim, but with the way the new recruit generation looks to me, the possibility for great match up disparity looks to be possible from position to position from team to team.  There probably aren't going to be starting line ups of 99 defenders at every position anymore for mid major teams unless you sell out for it.  That good.  But holding teams back to  create more variance in team prestige ( I sent in a ticket and I'm just waiting for them to rank it to conference prestige), sucks.

Didn't Arizona finish fifth in their conference in 1997 when they won the national Championship?  Thought so, so what's the problem with Rhode Island?  Oh, and where's the conspiracy?

7/5/2010 7:35 PM
Wow, good call, I'd forgotten about that.

But of course, a big part is how strong your conference is. I know that UCLA and Stanford were very strong then, and probably a strong Cal team near the beginning of the Ben Braun era. Not sure who the fourth team might've been, but fifth place don't sound awful in that group, especially provided that it was maybe only a couple games separating the teams. (If there were 8-8 or 7-9, obviously that's not the case.) 

Oooh, and I just looked at the A-10 in Iba, that's a really strong league w. seven NT teams. So finishing third there is hardly a big deal. So I'd agree that is a non-point.

AZ was stacked with talent ... was Rhode Island? To me that appears to be a very nice team, but not a great one or NT-winning one. Heading into the NT they were 4-9 vs. NT teams. Major kudos to weena.

Thinking more about it ... I've seen some comparable teams win it all in Allen recently in the old engine (Yale, Southern, etc.) 

7/5/2010 8:00 PM
Posted by reinsel on 7/5/2010 9:30:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anything changed in the prestige determining department.
I really don't see how that can be said since, every single season I've made the NT we've gone up in prestige.  I've never been an A-, so I would assume at some point that trend would tend to stop.  I wouldn't think it would come at B- though.  (Conspiracy Theory) Unless you are purposely trying to hold back teams that aren't in power conferences, which will in turn, further widen the gap between the "A" teams and everyone else.  What would be the point of being in a non-power conference if no matter what you did, your prestige would always be dragged down, by your conference?  If that's even that case, I'm not sure why we stayed the same, but it seems odd.  The point is, that with the wide variance among recruits now, being slighted on prestige at smaller schools or in smaller conferences is a killer.
7/5/2010 11:03 PM
And as far as Arizona goes, I don't think they were picked to finish fifth that year.  If I remember correctly, they had some trouble figuring out where to put everybody.  It just took them some time to gel.
7/5/2010 11:05 PM
Posted by bigbuck75 on 7/5/2010 11:03:00 PM (view original):
Posted by reinsel on 7/5/2010 9:30:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anything changed in the prestige determining department.
I really don't see how that can be said since, every single season I've made the NT we've gone up in prestige.  I've never been an A-, so I would assume at some point that trend would tend to stop.  I wouldn't think it would come at B- though.  (Conspiracy Theory) Unless you are purposely trying to hold back teams that aren't in power conferences, which will in turn, further widen the gap between the "A" teams and everyone else.  What would be the point of being in a non-power conference if no matter what you did, your prestige would always be dragged down, by your conference?  If that's even that case, I'm not sure why we stayed the same, but it seems odd.  The point is, that with the wide variance among recruits now, being slighted on prestige at smaller schools or in smaller conferences is a killer.
Season Coach Overall
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Home
W-L
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Rank RPI Prestige Notes
43 bigbuck75 23-8 11-1 8-6 4-1 13-3   33 B- CT Champion
NT (2nd Round)
42 bigbuck75 14-15 7-5 5-9 2-1 11-5   148 B- Conf Champion
 
41 bigbuck75 20-10 10-2 8-6 2-2 14-2   49 B Conf Champion
NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
40 bigbuck75 21-9 11-2 8-5 2-2 14-2   58 B Conf Champion
NT At-large Bid
NT (1st Round)
Your first sentence is just a complete falsehood.  You didn't make the NT in season 42 at Utah, which is why you are a B-, you went from being a low B- to a high B-.
7/5/2010 11:22 PM
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Reinsel's right though, the formula to calculate prestige hasn't changed. I've seen plenty of instances where a team has made the NT and their prestige hasn't gone up, particularly outside of the BCS conference. That fact that teams w. lower baseline prestiges don't get as big a bump as BCS schools that generally have higher baseline prestige is really old news.
7/5/2010 11:36 PM
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