Sure Russell is in the top 10.  And maybe it's just the pundits I watch/read, but it seems like everyone loves Russell.  I remember when the Celts won it a couple years back, and ESPN had a segment where Russell "interviewed" KG, and you would have thought the Pope himself was blessing KG.  Dude's a legend, I'll never argue that.

The most compelling argument against the rings vs. stats argument appeared to me just last week - Adam Morrison has 2 more rings than LBJ, or most stars.  But imagine if somehow, Jordan never won a ring, wouldn't Kobe be considered "greater" than him? (which he isn't).

Ugh, such bizarre hypotheticals make my head hurt. :)
7/9/2010 2:57 AM
if jordan had no rings... he wouldnt be jordan.

7/9/2010 7:02 AM
I'm curious to see who the heck the Heat are going to be able to bring in as role players.  They're going to have to be very much salary constrained after thse three signings. 
7/9/2010 7:12 AM

And what will happen when one of those three gets injured?

 

 

7/9/2010 9:50 AM
Posted by a_in_the_b on 7/9/2010 9:50:00 AM (view original):

And what will happen when one of those three gets injured?

 

 

I'm sure coaching virtuoso Spoelstra will figure something out...
7/9/2010 10:51 AM
Well you'll still have 2 of them, and most likely you'll still have LeBron he doesn't seem to get injured while the other two have struggled to play whole seasons.
7/9/2010 11:19 AM
It'll be interesting to see how Pittman pans out, and if Beasley can improve.
7/9/2010 1:10 PM
Beasley's now in Minnesota.
7/9/2010 1:19 PM
Posted by oldave on 7/9/2010 7:02:00 AM (view original):
if jordan had no rings... he wouldnt be jordan.

Nope he'd be Dominique.
7/9/2010 1:43 PM
Posted by mmt0315 on 7/9/2010 1:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by oldave on 7/9/2010 7:02:00 AM (view original):
if jordan had no rings... he wouldnt be jordan.

Nope he'd be Dominique.
So true.......or George Gervin, maybe.
7/9/2010 1:50 PM
LeBron is a little punk a** b****.  The Cavs brought players in for him and he couldnt get it done.  He choked in the playoffs when the pressure was on.  He decided to join a clutch player in Wade so he doesnt have to be the man.  He couldnt handle the pressure.  Sure, he did what needed to be done in the regular season but then couldnt man up in the playoffs.
7/9/2010 1:52 PM

Being from Miami I'm a bit biased but I've also had a ton of time to think about this as it’s the only subject which has been on our minds the last several day.

Right, off the bat I'm going to say something which I think is pretty obvious at this point. "The Decision" was not well thought out, was classless and egocentric. However, two things no one talks about. One, until late Wednesday night and through Thursday morning, when suddenly sources had Lebron coming to Miami, no one had a clue where he was going (well, except for Stephen A. Smith, kudos). I think Lebron realized (albeit to late) that ripping out Cavs fans hearts on a nationally televised spectacle was wrong and the information was leaked out to "soften" the blow. I think the other thing that’s lost is that they raised almost 5 million dollars in charity in one hour which is amazing.

Next, any remorse James might have had must have been removed after Dan Gilbert showed his true colors and lack of class in his "letter to the fans". Dan, if all those things were true you should be throwing a party celebrating that you don't have that kind of player on your team and that he's left town. Lebron made you relevant for 7 years, gave people something to do and personally made you millions. What did you do for him? Nothing that any other NBA team who won the lottery that year wouldn't have done. In the two way relationship he did most of the giving while the Cavs and their fans did the taking. To expect him to stay simply because of the coincidence that he was born there is insane. When you look at all the great teams in NBA history it speaks to Lebrons talent that they won as much as they did with so little. I wanna see Cavs attendence this season when they barely struggle to make it into the playoffs as an 8 seed.

Also, the national coverage of this entire thing is a complete joke. Was Bill Simmons complaining when his Celtics put together the Big 3? Was he predicting failure and that they'd be lucky to win 50 games? This is from a so called NBA expert. Brent Barry was visibly angry that Lebron chose the Heat and Mike WilBUM continously put his slant on the story by saying Chicago is a better destination? Really? Why? Play in Jordan's shadow? Go to a team that was just an 8-seed with a supposedly deeper roster than a Miami team that won 45 games was a 4 seed with essentially D-Wade an nobody? Yeah Noah, he's awesome averaging 8 and 8 AND Rose at 21 years old are much better options than two top 15 guys. Yes, currently the Heat have those three Chalmers and Mike Miller; but does anyone really believe that the roster wont be filled out by the time the season starts. Plus next year they get the mid-level and lower level exemptions back and if they can convince Udonis to resign for 1 million this year he gets his Larry Bird rights back next year. Orlando doesnt have a go to guy and Boston will be another year older. Miami will go to the finals this season and will only be better moving forward. It was a great decision for him to come to Miami, and all the crying outta the national media is simply sour grapes.

As for Lebrons legacy...At the end of the day people only talk about one thing and thats how many titles youve won. This notion that the Heat are the first team to assemble superstars playing together is laughable and contrary to every champion in NBA history the past 20 year save a team or two. Whats different here is that these players on their own accord decided to each sacrifice a bit of their individuality and a bit monetarily to make this happen instead of the team itself doing the assembly work.
Ill save the space and not run off the list of each champ but will say of course Jordan didn't go anywhere. The Bulls had two of the top 5 players in the NBA at the time in Jordan and Pippen and other players flocked to play with them. There is no way Jordan's Bulls beat the Suns and Jazz without one of the top PFs off all time and greatest defenders in Dennis Rodman. That team also had the Euro Jordan in Toni Kukoc along with Ron Harper (all-star) and a ton of sharp shooters. They didnt win 72 games simply because of Jordan.

Kobe was ready to leave LA because they werent putting him in position to win. Along came Gasol (Top 15 player) Odom, and now Artest. In addition to the rest of that all-star squad.

Once the anger settles and the season starts and the titles start rolling in; everyone will see that Lebron made the right decision for him. Hes going to come to Miami (and by all indications play PG ala Magic) and average nearly a tripple double a game...they will win their first title in the next two years and no one will ever look back.

7/9/2010 2:07 PM
Posted by sully712 on 7/9/2010 1:52:00 PM (view original):
LeBron is a little punk a** b****.  The Cavs brought players in for him and he couldnt get it done.  He choked in the playoffs when the pressure was on.  He decided to join a clutch player in Wade so he doesnt have to be the man.  He couldnt handle the pressure.  Sure, he did what needed to be done in the regular season but then couldnt man up in the playoffs.
Being that I know you dont watch basketball I can say this with confidence.  He didnt nut up. Look at the shooting percentages of his teammates.  Look at the boneheaded rotations used by his head coach such as playing Shaq who was two slow to keep up with the Celtics bigs and clutterred the lane.  Then blame Lebron.  Why would he quit? That doesnt make sense. Play all season, win 66 games but then just stop and have people say you cant win the title? Doesnt make sense.  They got steamrolled because he had no help. Yes, they traded for Jamison. Did you see the genius Mike Brown try to incorporate him into the game plan. I dont remember after what game it was but Lebron had taken over at the end and in the post game conference they asked Brown a question about it. He said "our game plan was to get out of his (Lebron's) way and let him do what he do."  The Cavs failed him not the other way around.

And everyone can say what they want but well take our 5-6 titles that well get in large part because of him.
7/9/2010 2:12 PM
Posted by sully712 on 7/9/2010 1:52:00 PM (view original):
LeBron is a little punk a** b****.  The Cavs brought players in for him and he couldnt get it done.  He choked in the playoffs when the pressure was on.  He decided to join a clutch player in Wade so he doesnt have to be the man.  He couldnt handle the pressure.  Sure, he did what needed to be done in the regular season but then couldnt man up in the playoffs.
Did you see him against the Pistons in 07? Did you see him against the Magic in 09? The guy has a couple of bad games in the playoffs and all of a sudden he chokes in the playoffs. Against the Magic in 09 LeBron averaged 38.5 points on 49% shooting, 8 assists and 8.3 rebounds and had one of the best buzzer beaters in playoff history. That's not the numbers of somebody who can't do well under pressure, and let's not forget the 25 straight points or whatever he had agains the Pistons.

All this backlash towards LeBron is dumb to me. Dude busted his *** for 7 years in Cleveland carried them has 1 bad series out of all the playoff series he's ever been in and now he's somebody who sucks in the playoffs and needed to go somewhere where somebody else could take clutch shots.
7/9/2010 2:25 PM
LOL...read mmt's post.  I dont follow the NBA.  But, I will throw this out there.  How is playing with Wade and Bosh and 9 minimum guys better than playing with the Bulls?  They have a stud PG in Rose.  They have a very good player in Boozer and a good C in Noah.  You take those pieces and put LeBron there and I think they are better than the Heat.  Plus, LeBron is still the man in that situation and the team is still his.
7/9/2010 2:32 PM
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