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usc4life
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I agree that those ratings are WAY off base when it comes to their listed positions, but that's the key. There's no position penalties so recruit the PF to play at the 1 or 2 spot and have a laugh about it

Or better yet, DON'T recruit the player and he's not your problem
7/29/2010 11:09 PM
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usc4life is right on the money. Looks like Kettner may end up a better than avg guard, and with a 64 WE and a little luck he may end up a stud guard that can rebound (for a G), handle the ball, post up smaller G's and knock down his outside shots. Not bad!

7/29/2010 11:23 PM
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If you recruit this guy at D2 you can play him at PG/SG/SF, actual positions don't matter. This guy is like Matt Bonner.
7/30/2010 12:39 AM
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Posted by kmasonbx on 7/30/2010 12:39:00 AM (view original):
If you recruit this guy at D2 you can play him at PG/SG/SF, actual positions don't matter. This guy is like Matt Bonner.
+1

come to think of it, I wouldn't mind recruiting this guy for my D2 team as a long term project
7/30/2010 12:43 AM
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I dont understand how there are threads like this that dont include potential. You have no idea how that guy will look as a senior.
7/30/2010 12:53 AM
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Posted by tmacfan12 on 7/30/2010 12:53:00 AM (view original):
I dont understand how there are threads like this that dont include potential. You have no idea how that guy will look as a senior.
On my N. Colorado team in Knight, I recruited a SG named Patrick Wiley specifically because he had high potential in Rebounding.  I intended on using him as a SF later in his career.  Through three seasons worth of practice, at 15 minutes worth devoted to Rebounding, he has gone from a 1 to an 18.  My point being, when you start with ratings THAT low, whether he has high potential or not, it's gonna be difficult to improve the player enough to get his ratings to a point where he's justifiably recruitable.

I, for one, have gotten used to potential, though I still don't like it.  But too many of these "new" recruits just have ratings in too many weird areas.  Yes, you have to be a little more careful when recruiting now, but there are some instances where I have to wonder if a player like I'm seeing could even exist in real life.
7/30/2010 2:05 AM
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Posted by tmacfan12 on 7/30/2010 12:53:00 AM (view original):
I dont understand how there are threads like this that dont include potential. You have no idea how that guy will look as a senior.
Completely agree with others that he is better suited as a D2 guard.  But even with extreme potential what are we going to see a guy improve, 30-40 points in a given area?  Scrictly as a PF playing SF, PF or C - even if the guy improves 40 points in rebounding, blocking and low post each he still wouldn't hit a 50 rating in each of those categories which is bad for even a lower rated D2 player.  And this guy is suppose to be D1 talent based on his rating.

The one thing I see is that for most players the lines are blurred much more in terms of natural position and they are mostly interchangeable.  If there was ever a point where the 5 SF's playing at once theory came into play it would be HD in this form I guess.  I like not having 30 players max out at 99 in their core categories each season but I also think recruits still aren't being generated properly. 
7/30/2010 2:47 AM
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If positions don't matter and have no bearing on the game, why even bother listing them...ESPECIALLY when you get ridiculous ratings like the ones above?
7/30/2010 11:07 AM
usc4life
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Whether they're listed or not doesn't make a difference, just ignore the listed position and decide for yourself
7/30/2010 11:13 AM
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Posted by colonels19 on 7/30/2010 11:07:00 AM (view original):
If positions don't matter and have no bearing on the game, why even bother listing them...ESPECIALLY when you get ridiculous ratings like the ones above?
 I agree that the labels are far less meaningful than in the previous engine (and a lot of those were weak). The reason they exist as I understand it is simply to give newbies a starting point if they are unfamiliar with what skills go with what position. Obviously even that's not too helpful given these examples. The other, perhaps more important reason, is that the engine needs the labels for All-Conference and All-American selections. The programming is not sophisticated enough to look at minutes played at a position and make those decisions. There are countless examples of those selections not working either such as lostmyth2 having the 1st team AA PG and 2nd team AA PG last season in Iba. The 2nd team selection played his entire career at SG. This is not an apology for WIS, just an explanation. 
7/30/2010 11:30 AM
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I think this makes this more fun.

As most of you know I am a huge Wisconsin fan.  Their best player last year (Jon Leuer) was a PG in high school.  He starts for the badgers at PF and is 6'10".  Crazy growth spurt, weird skill set that works in the flex/swing offense, plus I guess you would say high potential in LP, Reb, etc.

This is pretty realistic in terms of what real coaches do though.  Many many players switch positions from HS to college.  Great coaches identify guys like that PF Kettner and say, he's not a crappy PF, hes a good SG! and that is where they find great recruits, since most people pass on him due to his lousy LP/Reb. 

Creativity is good!

7/30/2010 2:10 PM
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Posted by Weena on 7/30/2010 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Posted by colonels19 on 7/30/2010 11:07:00 AM (view original):
If positions don't matter and have no bearing on the game, why even bother listing them...ESPECIALLY when you get ridiculous ratings like the ones above?
 I agree that the labels are far less meaningful than in the previous engine (and a lot of those were weak). The reason they exist as I understand it is simply to give newbies a starting point if they are unfamiliar with what skills go with what position. Obviously even that's not too helpful given these examples. The other, perhaps more important reason, is that the engine needs the labels for All-Conference and All-American selections. The programming is not sophisticated enough to look at minutes played at a position and make those decisions. There are countless examples of those selections not working either such as lostmyth2 having the 1st team AA PG and 2nd team AA PG last season in Iba. The 2nd team selection played his entire career at SG. This is not an apology for WIS, just an explanation. 
I would think that would confuse the new players a bit more if they are looking for a specific position and then they see these ratings. I get what you are saying as far as the "needing labels" issue though.
7/30/2010 2:46 PM
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Posted by reinsel on 7/30/2010 2:11:00 PM (view original):

I think this makes this more fun.

As most of you know I am a huge Wisconsin fan.  Their best player last year (Jon Leuer) was a PG in high school.  He starts for the badgers at PF and is 6'10".  Crazy growth spurt, weird skill set that works in the flex/swing offense, plus I guess you would say high potential in LP, Reb, etc.

This is pretty realistic in terms of what real coaches do though.  Many many players switch positions from HS to college.  Great coaches identify guys like that PF Kettner and say, he's not a crappy PF, hes a good SG! and that is where they find great recruits, since most people pass on him due to his lousy LP/Reb. 

Creativity is good!

Have you really ever seen a PF turn into a SG before?  Ben Wallace is the only example of a guy (that I can think of) that changed positions for the better. Boston wanted him to be a SF and cut him.  He roided up and became a beast post defender...still couldn't/can't shoot a lick, but he got paid!
7/30/2010 2:48 PM
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A PF or C with a 9 REB rating or a PG with a 9 BH or PASS rating isn't cute, cool, or creative...it's just dumb. Guys in real life with these kinds of ratings don't play college basketball, they play HD because they aren't/weren't good enough to be athletes in their respective heys.
7/30/2010 3:13 PM
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