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His gains so far: +10 LP and STA, +7 DUR, +6 SPD, +4 in CON and REB, +1 in DEF and BLK, and he hasn't slowed down in any of them yet. Most of those (and all the cores except BLK, I think) had High potential, plus I can also boost him in PER and FT but haven't devoted minutes to those categories yet.

I'd have to dig through the sitemails to find out what kind of High, but I know LP for sure was a sky's the limit, and I think one or two others were as well. I could wake up tomorrow and get a slew of wasted minute notices, of course, in which case he's a failed experiment. But I'm expecting he'll end up around 75/75/75/75 or better, and in the new HD that should be solid.
8/8/2010 5:57 PM
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anton - if I showed you a bunch of d2 frosh as good or better, would you still like the new recruit generation system?

8/8/2010 6:13 PM
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Posted by vandydave on 8/8/2010 5:10:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sublightd on 8/8/2010 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Mswilso was overrated? How exactly? Or are we just throwing out opinions and stating them as fact?  Don't answer that, I already know the answer.
he built a dominant dynasty in one world and everyone acted like he was the best coach ever. he was very good, but not great.
So your real problem was he was a douche about winning. Because when you get to define what "great coach" means, its amazing how you are always right. When I get to define what a word means, then start arguing about what that word means, I always win too.

So what you are saying is, I have three teams, I win 6 NT's in 7 years on one squad, but never win one on my other two teams, i'm not a great coach? Okay then. Again, when you get to define what something means, I guess I have to agree you are 100% right.
8/8/2010 8:31 PM
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Posted by oldresorter on 8/8/2010 6:13:00 PM (view original):

anton - if I showed you a bunch of d2 frosh as good or better, would you still like the new recruit generation system?

wasn't that kind of his point?

if there are a bunch of players better than that in d2...why are low d1 schools having so much trouble?
8/8/2010 9:16 PM
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Posted by sublightd on 8/8/2010 8:31:00 PM (view original):
Posted by vandydave on 8/8/2010 5:10:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sublightd on 8/8/2010 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Mswilso was overrated? How exactly? Or are we just throwing out opinions and stating them as fact?  Don't answer that, I already know the answer.
he built a dominant dynasty in one world and everyone acted like he was the best coach ever. he was very good, but not great.
So your real problem was he was a douche about winning. Because when you get to define what "great coach" means, its amazing how you are always right. When I get to define what a word means, then start arguing about what that word means, I always win too.

So what you are saying is, I have three teams, I win 6 NT's in 7 years on one squad, but never win one on my other two teams, i'm not a great coach? Okay then. Again, when you get to define what something means, I guess I have to agree you are 100% right.
I never ever said he was a douche about winning.

Your reading comprehension is subpar, perhaps you should quit lecturing people about what words mean.
8/8/2010 9:40 PM
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Posted by pinkeye on 8/8/2010 9:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by oldresorter on 8/8/2010 6:13:00 PM (view original):

anton - if I showed you a bunch of d2 frosh as good or better, would you still like the new recruit generation system?

wasn't that kind of his point?

if there are a bunch of players better than that in d2...why are low d1 schools having so much trouble?
pink -  I thought his point was he could win d1 conferences (CCA was what he was discussing with dalter) or be competitive for national titles with guys like that, my counter point was guys like he posted were pretty common not only in d1, but also on d2 rosters.  Not sure what your case is, but that is my interpretation.

To answer your ? - mid level d1 guys are battling d2 coaches for 550 guys with hi pot, while the A prestige schools are collecting 750 guys with modest potential, I am pretty sure it takes a long while for 550 guys to catch 750 guys in terms of core values to excel at this game, hence mid level d1 coaches are having alot of trouble vs the elite d1 coaches.

sitemail me if you have any ?'s on this and want more a detailed explanation
8/8/2010 9:43 PM (edited)
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Not that I was going to speak on your behalf OR, but that's exactly what I was going to say to pinkeye's statement.  The gap between the elite and the also-rans has been widened dramatically.  Guess I should post faster, lol. 
8/8/2010 9:47 PM (edited)
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Isn't that how it should be though, OR? The elites should be going to elites, and the averaged type guys to the mid-majors.
8/8/2010 9:47 PM
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That would be OK, furry, if the elites were decided based on success rather than conference affiliation.

8/8/2010 9:49 PM
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Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/8/2010 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Not that I was going to speak on your behalf OR, but that's exactly what I was going to say to pinkeye's statement.  The gap between the elite and the also-rans has been widened dramatically.  Guess I should post faster, lol. 
G - a bunch of coaches at one point had mid level d1 schools, in allen dalter had montana playing well enough he was able to move to UNC, my son had clev state, I had UWGB, for a while rails was in my conference, a bunch of other great coaches, I am sure some are still there, but alot of what I thought this discussion was about was molding d1 mid majors into major powerhouses.

I am not saying it cannot be done, but it is not as easy as it used to be, alot like betting $100 on 50-50 odds to win 2 bucks, at some point, those odds will catch up with you and you will go broke.
8/8/2010 9:51 PM
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They are. Just because they are not A+, doesn't mean they are not one of the best. Brianp is at B+, and he can sign anyone with that prestige. He just beat Iowa with his northern AZ team for a recruit. Not sure iowas prestige, but he is beating out some of the BCS schools.
8/8/2010 9:51 PM
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Posted by furry_nipps on 8/8/2010 9:47:00 PM (view original):
Isn't that how it should be though, OR? The elites should be going to elites, and the averaged type guys to the mid-majors.

real life for sure, but very different than the game was a couple of months ago, when the mid majors had a better shot at putting together some pretty competitive teams.  Furry all my teams are A or A+ prestige, it is to my advantage for this to not change, but it seems rather unfair to take away the more competitve environment that existed a few months ago as a conscious decision by those in charge, hence I have been trying to point out the mistake, at some point (very soon) I will give up on this quest, but for now I sort of feel like Custer making his last stand

The thing is, if it doesn't get fixed soon, it will take months for these low rating guys to clear out of the system.  REminds me alot of the FSS fiasco which did not have very good results in terms of coach retention while those players rattled around the system. 
8/8/2010 9:58 PM
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Posted by oldresorter on 8/8/2010 9:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by pinkeye on 8/8/2010 9:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by oldresorter on 8/8/2010 6:13:00 PM (view original):

anton - if I showed you a bunch of d2 frosh as good or better, would you still like the new recruit generation system?

wasn't that kind of his point?

if there are a bunch of players better than that in d2...why are low d1 schools having so much trouble?
pink -  I thought his point was he could win d1 conferences (CCA was what he was discussing with dalter) or be competitive for national titles with guys like that, my counter point was guys like he posted were pretty common not only in d1, but also on d2 rosters.  Not sure what your case is, but that is my interpretation.

To answer your ? - mid level d1 guys are battling d2 coaches for 550 guys with hi pot, while the A prestige schools are collecting 750 guys with modest potential, I am pretty sure it takes a long while for 550 guys to catch 750 guys in terms of core values to excel at this game, hence mid level d1 coaches are having alot of trouble vs the elite d1 coaches.

sitemail me if you have any ?'s on this and want more a detailed explanation
i mean obviously the 750s are going to be a lot better than the 550s

but shouldn't most of them be getting drafted after their sophomore season? in the end it seems like the gap would be closed a fair bit just because high prestige teams have to reload more often and lower teams would end up having seniors with lower ratings but better IQ
8/8/2010 10:21 PM
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Posted by furry_nipps on 8/8/2010 9:51:00 PM (view original):
They are. Just because they are not A+, doesn't mean they are not one of the best. Brianp is at B+, and he can sign anyone with that prestige. He just beat Iowa with his northern AZ team for a recruit. Not sure iowas prestige, but he is beating out some of the BCS schools.
Those bastards in Flagstaff need to be perfect every recruiting season whereas Iowa can afford (literally) to swing and miss on a recruit.  It's not a system conducive to customer retention and it doesn't even mirror real life.  IRL, recruits did not care that Memphis was in C-USA.  They went to A+ Memphis because of the coach and the program's success.  What if (sports) Northern Arizona was an A+ school...oops, it will never happen because they are probably capped at an A-.
8/8/2010 10:35 PM
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I was actually going to ask if any mid majors got up to an A+. I think they've been in the A- range, but not quite A+. An A+ school would be a school that doesn't just fall off like that. And if they have a few bad seasons, still bring in good recruits. I don't think zaga or memphis was there. Memphis got there recruits because the coach cheated, not because they were some A+ school. HD has boosters if you want to do that. 
8/8/2010 10:41 PM
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