daalter the post-deleter.

Posted by seabreeze on 8/9/2010 11:15:00 AM (view original):
daalter, gotta call you on this one. Looking at Naismith D1 over the past years, here are the number of teams from the six major conferences that made the dance:

• Season 45: 30
• Season 44: 25
• Season 43: 30
• Season 42: 28
• Season 41: 27
• Season 40: 26
• Season 39: 26
• Season 38: 25
• Season 37: 26
• Season 36: 27
• Season 35: 26
• Season 34: 27
• Season 33: 30
• Season 32: 25
• Season 31: 20
• Season 30: 21
• Season 29: 21
• Season 28: 23
• Season 27: 23
• Season 26: 21
• Season 25: 21
• Season 24: 27
• Season 23: 22
• Season 22: 22
• Season 21: 18
• Season 20: 23

There are 27 D1 conferences, so the majors have been placing 19 to 24 at-large teams in the past dozen or so seasons. That still leaves 13 to 18 at-large slots for low to mid-major conferences. If the number of no-major at-large slots gets reduced to single digits on a consistent basis, then I think you have a problem. 

For those wondering, season 32 ended in mid-October of 2008. Potential was introduced in mid-September of that year, so it had not yet had an effect on Naismith. Changes were made in June of 2008 to limit class sizes to six (no more superclass teams) and to have Sim AI start recruiting undecided players the morning after initial signings had begun. I think the effects of both changes show up in the increased NT invites to majors.

cb, I don't understand how what you're showing here negates what I was saying.

cb  - the reason you used the data was to prove the recruit generation process in naismith had no affect on bids real time, yet the recruits in naismith really haven't played much of a role yet, now when you want to prove the FSS point, you jump back and make my point for me - don't you see that?????????

really doesn't matter to me too much anymore, selfishly, the new system is near ideal for the types of teams I have & my attempt at stopping the implementation b4 it messed things up has failed, so I really should just let it drop - I probably would have if this post had not been started, my last ticket I submitted was in late june when the first new recruits came out in tark (I'm pretty sure june 26th in tark was when the new recruits hit Tark) - seble told me I was the only one who did not like it & I thought to myself at the time, don't be so sure of either of those two things - i.e. I don't like the new system, and others unanimously do - LOL

Good luck to all

If the numbers jump to 32-35 teams per year in the NT from major conferences, daalter, you may be right. Then again, you'd have to figure how many coaches leave low level D1 to mid-major D1 schools because of the spread of fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Posted by cbriese on 8/9/2010 11:39:00 AM (view original):
If the numbers jump to 32-35 teams per year in the NT from major conferences, daalter, you may be right. Then again, you'd have to figure how many coaches leave low level D1 to mid-major D1 schools because of the spread of fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Yes, your first sentence I agree with.

But again, I don't see at all how the #'s that you posted at all show that what OR, myself and others have been saying is incorrect.

Posted by cbriese on 8/9/2010 11:39:00 AM (view original):
If the numbers jump to 32-35 teams per year in the NT from major conferences, daalter, you may be right. Then again, you'd have to figure how many coaches leave low level D1 to mid-major D1 schools because of the spread of fear, uncertainty and doubt.

FWIW, with a couple games left in the Allen regular season, it looks like the power conferences have about 28-29 NT locks and 7-8 bubble teams. So a very high likelihood that we'll be in your 32-35 range. (And that's with the BEast having a terrible season w. likely only two postseason teams.) And the full effects have yet to be felt.

Posted by vandydave on 8/8/2010 9:40:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by sublightd on 8/8/2010 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Mswilso was overrated? How exactly? Or are we just throwing out opinions and stating them as fact?  Don't answer that, I already know the answer.

he built a dominant dynasty in one world and everyone acted like he was the best coach ever. he was very good, but not great.

So your real problem was he was a douche about winning. Because when you get to define what "great coach" means, its amazing how you are always right. When I get to define what a word means, then start arguing about what that word means, I always win too.

So what you are saying is, I have three teams, I win 6 NT's in 7 years on one squad, but never win one on my other two teams, i'm not a great coach? Okay then. Again, when you get to define what something means, I guess I have to agree you are 100% right.

I never ever said he was a douche about winning.

Your reading comprehension is subpar, perhaps you should quit lecturing people about what words mean.

There's so much wrong with this post I shouldn't even respond, but I'll just start and end with this: if you want to talk about reading comprehension then read my original post where I said you didn't need to respond. I'll repeat it again since you have reading issues. Don't respond because I won't read it and therefore won't be answering. You threw out a blanket statement twice and couldn't back it up and then went for insults which ironically you violated yourself by even answering. Classic.

Posted by daalter on 8/9/2010 11:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 8/9/2010 11:39:00 AM (view original):
If the numbers jump to 32-35 teams per year in the NT from major conferences, daalter, you may be right. Then again, you'd have to figure how many coaches leave low level D1 to mid-major D1 schools because of the spread of fear, uncertainty and doubt.

FWIW, with a couple games left in the Allen regular season, it looks like the power conferences have about 28-29 NT locks and 7-8 bubble teams. So a very high likelihood that we'll be in your 32-35 range. (And that's with the BEast having a terrible season w. likely only two postseason teams.) And the full effects have yet to be felt.

On the other hand you aren't SEEING the real effect, because with old players still mixed in jumping to any conclusions is hasty at best because of the effect it has on things such as EE. .and any number of things. What proportion of those teams mentioned is made up of new vs old players? And so on.

Correct, we're not seeing the full effect, as I pointed out in my last sentence. Ths is just the tip of the iceberg, unfortunately. Anyone who thinks the #'s are going to get better as this continues has their head in the sand.

If anyone followed Wooden recruiting (1st signings were last night), they would come to the conclusion that OR and dalter/daalter are tyring to forward. Real stark difference between the have and the have nots. I have seen this in Tark which is the furthest along as well. The recruiting pool was so shallow in Wooden that high DI teams are signing pretty average recruits.

Posted by sublightd on 8/9/2010 11:53:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by sublightd on 8/8/2010 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Mswilso was overrated? How exactly? Or are we just throwing out opinions and stating them as fact?  Don't answer that, I already know the answer.

he built a dominant dynasty in one world and everyone acted like he was the best coach ever. he was very good, but not great.

So your real problem was he was a douche about winning. Because when you get to define what "great coach" means, its amazing how you are always right. When I get to define what a word means, then start arguing about what that word means, I always win too.

So what you are saying is, I have three teams, I win 6 NT's in 7 years on one squad, but never win one on my other two teams, i'm not a great coach? Okay then. Again, when you get to define what something means, I guess I have to agree you are 100% right.

I never ever said he was a douche about winning.

Your reading comprehension is subpar, perhaps you should quit lecturing people about what words mean.

There's so much wrong with this post I shouldn't even respond, but I'll just start and end with this: if you want to talk about reading comprehension then read my original post where I said you didn't need to respond. I'll repeat it again since you have reading issues. Don't respond because I won't read it and therefore won't be answering. You threw out a blanket statement twice and couldn't back it up and then went for insults which ironically you violated yourself by even answering. Classic.

your post brings me joy at so many levels, i dont think you could be more clueless if you tried.

you saying i dont need to respond doesnt dictate my desire to respond, your needs have zero impact on my wants.

you won't read what i replied and won't answer if i do respond? well now you have just turned yourself into a liar, because you have already done that.

I know I am posting way late regarding this topic, but I think (at least in my own mind and conclusion) is the fact this is supposed to be "whatifsports" not real life sports/HD. In my humble opinion, the reason people may want to join this entertainment sports site is due to the fact they want to take their alma mater and try to create a successful dynasty. However, this is not even remotely possible with the new recruit generation (it is killing the mid/low majors and I am saying this with my Big 6 teams). Secondly (and going off topic from this forum), the baseline prestige is a complete joke. It should not be mirrored to real life--when I joined this site I really wanted to build up teams, because again it is named "whatifsports"--it has now been turned into the Big 6 vs. everyone else and it's a shame because this site wants to mirror real life, instead of providing an exciting and entertaining product. Lastly and( again in my humble opinion), do not mirror real life, instead allow all schools to start out with the same prestige and allow each school regardless of conference affiliation or real life school traditions and treat each school the same--based upon individual school success! 

Well said, LG.

Posted by a_in_the_b on 8/9/2010 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by daalter on 8/9/2010 11:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 8/9/2010 11:39:00 AM (view original):
If the numbers jump to 32-35 teams per year in the NT from major conferences, daalter, you may be right. Then again, you'd have to figure how many coaches leave low level D1 to mid-major D1 schools because of the spread of fear, uncertainty and doubt.

FWIW, with a couple games left in the Allen regular season, it looks like the power conferences have about 28-29 NT locks and 7-8 bubble teams. So a very high likelihood that we'll be in your 32-35 range. (And that's with the BEast having a terrible season w. likely only two postseason teams.) And the full effects have yet to be felt.

On the other hand you aren't SEEING the real effect, because with old players still mixed in jumping to any conclusions is hasty at best because of the effect it has on things such as EE. .and any number of things. What proportion of those teams mentioned is made up of new vs old players? And so on.

How can any of us take your thoughts on this, or any issue with WIS seriously?  Have you have had a negative thing to say?

SO you aren't serious unless you say that "Doom is upon us all, all is ruin, alack ruin?"

 

PLenty of things need work.  I just think there is overreaction to the recruiting.

How can we take YOU seriously, have you had anything positive to say?

 Since when did being negative become a requirement?