Posted by a_in_the_b on 8/13/2010 7:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by colonels19 on 8/13/2010 7:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by vandydave on 8/13/2010 8:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by emy1013 on 8/13/2010 1:39:00 AM (view original):
Posted by daalter on 8/13/2010 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Seble, I won't judge the changes until they're implemented and we see what happens.
That said, I'm not really of the opinion that the current problems have to do with too much game-to-game variance. I haven't really heard anyone make that argument.
It seems to me that there are simply a few inherent, wholesale problems in the engine (such as rebounding and fouls). The problem is not that a team or player will be great at (for example) rebounding one night and terrible the next; the problem is that there is an inherent issue with how the engine handles rebounding all of the time.
Seble, would really love to hear your thoughts on this.
Ahh, Daalter, your mind is slipping in your old age. Coaches have been asking for, nay begging, for less variance/randomness all the way back to when TK was still running the show and Davis was posting statistical analyses for all of us to wrap our minds around. It's been a semi-hot topic since I started, still is to a degree, and probably always will be. It just might not be what everyone is shouting about right now, that's all.
Switching gears, one thing I would like to see in regards to rebounding is the +/- setting play a slightly larger role in a team's rebounding proficiency. Not a whole lot, mind you, but enough to be able to tell a difference between teams that sag and teams that get out on the perimeter.
Also, since Seble seems to be more willing to work with us, and certainly has a more open mind than TK ever did, it might be interesting to see what the results would be if he ran the -5/0/+5 test with the new engine. And, you know, actually provided some meaningful data to go along with the results. Not like the very vague stuff we got with TK. Maybe ratings of the teams involved, or at the very least some raw numbers to look at instead of a few generic percentages that told us basically nothing. I don't know, just rambling at this point.........
hard to know exactly what to make of this. according to sources TK admitted once there was an "upset" factor if you will somehow built into the engine. while im not a stat guy, i understand that statistical outcomes on their own will turn out differently within a certain range, but never liked the idea that wis had somehow added its own variance factor just to make the game more interesting. if this change in any way limits artificially inflated variance im for it.
Agreed...well put. This is essentially what I've been saying since before the Montevallo incident, but again, most folks here can't separate poster from post, so they saw it was me, and fought AGAINST it just because of that fact.
COlonels. .can you ever NOT talk about yourself? Can you ever just post and NOT make it about yourself? Perhaps if you made your posts about yourself less then other people would as well, just a thought.
I'm just making the point that I've always made, because it's again showing itself to be true. Most/all of my posts start one foot in the grave because of my username...I understand that...I still post because I know I can overcome it. If I say the game is too random, I'm taking the ****...if *respected veteran user* says the game is too random, he's being logical, thoughtful, and is probably correct. The fact of the matter is, there are people out there that AGREE WITH MY STANCE(S) and I think it's worthy of making a note of. Why shouldn't I defend myself while pointing out the flaws of many users who don't respect me on this site? Really, what do I have to lose?
Again, you may not like the way that I argue, but on that fact alone, you can't say that some/many/all of my arguments haven't had merit. What vandydave said proves it, and I'm going to tell you so because no one else is going to take up that cross for me.
If I argue just to argue, then you guys are as guilty, if not more guilty than I am of doing it, because I always make valid claims in my posts griping about the sim.
8/13/2010 8:20 PM (edited)