Duke (15-12, 7-9 ACC, 40 RPI, 4 SOS) has a 14 seed in Allen.  That's not that bad of a seeding, but in real life, Duke gets at least a 10 seed just for making the tourney, don't they? 

In real life, at-large bids are at worst a 12 seed. Seeds lower than 12 are reserved for conference tournament winners from one bid conferences.

In real life if you go 15-12 you're not making the tourney. Even Duke.

No way Duke with that 4 SOS and playing only 3 sims, even with 12 losses, should be seeded below 5 teams in their bracket that each played between 11-16 sims.
At least they're ahead of Cal-Irvine and their 10 losses against a schedule filled with 25 sims.

Posted by pjbrankin on 8/16/2010 2:10:00 PM (view original):
In real life, at-large bids are at worst a 12 seed. Seeds lower than 12 are reserved for conference tournament winners from one bid conferences.

Not true. It usually ends up that way because the at-large teams are simply rated higher on the S-curve, but there is no rule or guideline stipulating that at-large teams are guaranteed a Top-12 seed, or that seeds lower than 12 are reserved for one-bid conferences. In 2006, for example, both Bradley and Air Force received 13-seeds as at-large teams.

Posted by Iguana1 on 8/16/2010 2:31:00 PM (view original):
No way Duke with that 4 SOS and playing only 3 sims, even with 12 losses, should be seeded below 5 teams in their bracket that each played between 11-16 sims.
At least they're ahead of Cal-Irvine and their 10 losses against a schedule filled with 25 sims.

And the 3 sims are 19-9, 20-9 and 18-12 respectively.

Regardless - I'm happy to be in the tournament at all, we're a very young team and sit in the toughest half conference I've seen in HD (Allen ACC North).  If everyone stays, we'll be much higher than a 14 next season, assuming my coaching inadequacies don't rear their ugly head again.

Posted by baumsaway on 8/16/2010 2:29:00 PM (view original):
In real life if you go 15-12 you're not making the tourney. Even Duke.

I'd guess if that 16 team bracket was in RL, a 15-12 Duke team not only would be in the tourney, they'd be no lower than a 10 seed considering SOS.

even though its Duke that sub .500 conference winning pct is a real knock against making the tourney, or so we've been told...

Posted by dacj501 on 8/16/2010 10:59:00 PM (view original):
even though its Duke that sub .500 conference winning pct is a real knock against making the tourney, or so we've been told...

Winning seven games in the North Division of ACC Allen is easily like winning 10-11 in another power conference.

Can you find another historical at large team with only fifteen wins AT ALL< much less one seeded as high as ten?  I think real life, a 15 - 12 team, no matter what the RPI and no matter what the conference would be a source of hot debate to even get in. (IRL)

IN fact, according to the fact sheets - unless one got in the last two years - since the feild expanded in 1985 not a single team with less than sixteen wins made it in as an at large selection, and only two with 16 wins.

Posted by daalter on 8/17/2010 1:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 8/16/2010 10:59:00 PM (view original):
even though its Duke that sub .500 conference winning pct is a real knock against making the tourney, or so we've been told...

Winning seven games in the North Division of ACC Allen is easily like winning 10-11 in another power conference.

does the computer know that?

Posted by arssanguinus on 8/17/2010 6:46:00 AM (view original):
IN fact, according to the fact sheets - unless one got in the last two years - since the feild expanded in 1985 not a single team with less than sixteen wins made it in as an at large selection, and only two with 16 wins.

That may be true, but keep in mind that in HD, teams play only 26 regular season games, which is at least one fewer than real-life teams generally play, so it's not quite apples to apples. I'm guessing that WIS only set up 26 games to leave open the possibility of implementing pre-season/in-season tournaments in the future.

Still, even so, Prof. The fact that even in that case only two sixteen win teams made it. . . .

Didn't Georgia make the tournament in the Jim Harrick years with a 15-13 record or something like that?  Similarly, I'm pretty sure Florida State made the Sweet 16 in the late 90's when they had only around 16 wins in the regular season.  Not HD examples, but examples nonetheless.