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y'all could teach him to steal laptops
8/18/2010 12:19 PM

Dogget, I bet LSU's coaching staff was stunned that Shaq sucked at FT% just as much as a senior as a freshman, too.

8/18/2010 1:45 PM
Let me get this straight. When you FSS'd him, it said "low." When you signed him and he showed up, again the scouting email said low. If you used a scouting eval on him during recruiting, it'd say he was low with no improvement. Yet with all of that, you managed to be surprised? Really? Potential has been around long enough that this shouldn't have caught you off guard.
8/18/2010 1:47 PM
I think dogget has a point here...a FR maxing out in any category in day 2 of his FR season is hard to stomach, and arguably not that realistic.  I'm more of a loose constructionist when it comes to the sim though as well.
8/18/2010 6:12 PM
Posted by furry_nipps on 8/18/2010 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Let me get this straight. When you FSS'd him, it said "low." When you signed him and he showed up, again the scouting email said low. If you used a scouting eval on him during recruiting, it'd say he was low with no improvement. Yet with all of that, you managed to be surprised? Really? Potential has been around long enough that this shouldn't have caught you off guard.
the issue isnt whether or not the game is functioning as intended, the question is whether or not the intentions are realistic
8/18/2010 11:51 PM
Realistic or enjoyable?
8/19/2010 12:11 AM
it's fairly realistic. How many PF's develop good jump shots after they get to college?
8/19/2010 12:49 AM
Posted by pjbrankin on 8/19/2010 12:49:00 AM (view original):
it's fairly realistic. How many PF's develop good jump shots after they get to college?

By far my biggest contention with this game is the caps which is making me more and more likely to give up playing and find something else to do with my time - as much as I do enjoy the rest of the game.  It's just not realistic and CS has run this into the ground IMO.  Now I get when bigs capout on FT's, perimeter shooting, ball handling, etc and I get PG's never not being able to improve on their LP moves and overall players not able to get much faster or durable, BUT caps on key areas specific to positions is ridiculous.  We are seeing top 50 players maxed out in their core areas before they even step foot on campus.  How is it even remotely realistic that a PG isn't going to improve his passing or ball handling when he goes off to UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, etc. unless he is 90+?  It's almost the norm now to have a player maxed out in more categories than they can improve on. 

I don't care how bad a player is in a particular area, if you put 90 minutes of workout into a particular area a player is going to improve.  "Low" in a category should mean that if you put 20 minutes into an area you may see 3-8 improvement points over the course of a players career.  Average should mean 8-15 and high should be 15+. 

The way this is set up is killing low mid majors especially.  There are less quality recruits overall which isn't aweful in terms of the top schools getting the best recruits and everyone else getting "project players".  In RL mid majors are taking guards with 55 BH and Passing cores and improving them to 75-80 on average.  This set-up doesn't allow for most players to get into that range anymore, and often even any higher than a 55 rating.  You are going to see more Big 6 schools making the post-season than before, which means less mid majors.  Yet the crazy thing is that the standards for success haven't changed in the sense that everyone is weighted the same.  You see a Kentucky coach who didn't make 1 NT appearance in 14 years but kept his job because of PT appearances most likely.  And I have a CS Northridge team that despite winning a CC missed the post season 4 straight years (after going to 3) and boosters start complaining which starts my "win or else" clock.   I'm likely fired if I don't make the post-season in the next two years and the way recruiting has changed the mid major conferences with lots of SIM coaches if you don't win the CT you likely aren't getting a NT or PT bid.  Unless coaches basically rotate who wins each year a lot of coaches are going to be fired unless something changes.  A good place to start is letting coaches be able to (here's a novel idea) COACH players into the guys they want on their team and mold them to what they want out of them.

8/19/2010 1:33 AM
'Cause in real life you can turn players into whatever you want them to be.
8/19/2010 2:54 AM
low should be 10 improvement
med 20 improvement
high 30 improvement

then we can make practice matter again.
8/19/2010 3:00 AM
Posted by dahsdebater on 8/19/2010 2:54:00 AM (view original):
'Cause in real life you can turn players into whatever you want them to be.
This supposed to be "What If"........
8/19/2010 4:01 AM
Posted by emy1013 on 8/19/2010 4:01:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 8/19/2010 2:54:00 AM (view original):
'Cause in real life you can turn players into whatever you want them to be.
This supposed to be "What If"........
Well,  in fairness, that doesn't mean anything goes. We don't want guards running around with 99 rb and a bunch of big men who shoot like Reggie Miller. So there's definitely a limit to that rationale, imo.

That said, we should have more control than we do. Just too many low potential categories.
8/19/2010 8:09 AM
Posted by pjbrankin on 8/19/2010 12:49:00 AM (view original):
it's fairly realistic. How many PF's develop good jump shots after they get to college?
Well, plenty of big men develop jumpers. Heck, plenty of them continue to improve significantly in that aspect even after they get to the pros.

But he's not even talking about turning the guy into a good jump shooter. He's talking about being able to eek out any improvement whatsoever.
8/19/2010 8:10 AM
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