As one of the 2 seeds who lost (first 1st round loss in 20 seasons) - I'd have to go with a slide back to coin flip.  I can't see any explanation why I lost so convincingly, why I got killed by TOs playing a team w/ so-so DE ratings and a significant SPD disadvantage or why I committed the 2nd most fouls in any game this season.

Allen Sweet 16

DI: 1-12 11-2, 1-4 2-6, 9-4 6-10, 9-5 3-7        ( 1 1 2 2 3 4 4 5 6 6 7 9 9 10 11 12)
DII: 1-5 3-2, 9-4 3-2, 1-12 3-2, 1-4 6-2            (1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 5 6 9 12)
DIII: 1-5 3-2, 1-5 3-2, 1-13 3-2, 8-4 3-10         (1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 4 5 5 8 10 13)

Why oh why do I have to be the 1 in the one DI bracket that isn't racked which upsets? 

Anyway, it looks like - at least at DII and DIII - seeding is holding up VERY well (1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 seeds = 81.25% of the Sweet Sixteen, only three of sixteen 1/2 seeds out.)  DI is a bit different, with 1-2-3-4-5 seeds only covering 50% of the Sweet Sixteen and half of the 1/2 seeds 

Posted by cornfused on 8/18/2010 11:58:00 AM (view original):
Allen Sweet 16

DI: 1-12 11-2, 1-4 2-6, 9-4 6-10, 9-5 3-7        ( 1 1 2 2 3 4 4 5 6 6 7 9 9 10 11 12)
DII: 1-5 3-2, 9-4 3-2, 1-12 3-2, 1-4 6-2            (1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 5 6 9 12)
DIII: 1-5 3-2, 1-5 3-2, 1-13 3-2, 8-4 3-10         (1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 4 5 5 8 10 13)

Why oh why do I have to be the 1 in the one DI bracket that isn't racked which upsets? 

Anyway, it looks like - at least at DII and DIII - seeding is holding up VERY well (1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 seeds = 81.25% of the Sweet Sixteen, only three of sixteen 1/2 seeds out.)  DI is a bit different, with 1-2-3-4-5 seeds only covering 50% of the Sweet Sixteen and half of the 1/2 seeds 

Which makes me think that most of the teams in D1 are somewhat similar, as opposed to it just being coin flip dynasty.

In D2/D3, there discrepancies at the top are more obvious, and maybe why there are fewer upsets.

That's the opposite of what I've seen, though.

Posted by cornfused on 8/18/2010 4:26:00 PM (view original):
That's the opposite of what I've seen, though.

Didn't you just post something showing D2/D3 seeding is holding up very well?

Tilts the **** out of me when people complain about stuff like this. I wonder if #2 seeds ever go back home and scream to the media about how there's too much parity in college basketball and they should have won that game!

Posted by isack24 on 8/18/2010 4:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cornfused on 8/18/2010 4:26:00 PM (view original):
That's the opposite of what I've seen, though.

Didn't you just post something showing D2/D3 seeding is holding up very well?

Yep.  But I disagree with your assertion that the talent gap between UNC and Toledo (1-60 RPI in DI) is smaller than the gaps between WV Wesleyan and Ohio Valley (1-60 RPI in DII) or Ohio Northern and Edgewood (same in DIII).

Clearly, that's not the case - just like in prestige, the difference between the best and the not-quite-the-best is at its largest in Division I, not its smallest.  The data might indicate otherwise, but it's a small set of data from which to draw a conclusion, and other kinds of data (i.e. actually looking at the teams) indicate otherwise.

i'm actually concerned that if they haven't already rolled out the new engine- then there aren't enough upsets right now, and it's sure to become nearly no upsets when that engine is rolled out.   I was almost certain the engine was rolled out until seble said it wasn't.  I'm just not seeing any surprises in my box scores lately.   If I think I'll by 20, I win by 18.  If I think I'll win by 5, I'll win by 4.   And now there is going to be less variance?   Uh oh.

No upsets? Here is the latest bullsht from the Smith DII tourney.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=6070996


That was the numer #1 seed getting their *** kicked there. Even if you try to argeu the teams are relatively even, a 40 point margin is bullcrap.

Check out the division two smith NT and tell me there aren't any upsets. A few of us went down again last night. I've never complained on here or in any CC about a loss but mine last night just doesn't set well with me. The smith world had two more #1's ( 2nd round ) go down last night.

This is what the last four teams in each region look like. In the midwest #1 vs. #5 and #3 vs. #7 ; in the east #1 vs. #12 and #11 vs. #10 ; in the south #8 vs. #13 and #3 vs. #15 ; in the west #9 vs. #12 and #6 vs. #7.  As you can see the only region that looks somewhat normal is the midwest. I'm all for a cinderella but not a tournament full of them.

Ive been saying this for awhile. The new updates havent been introduced yet though so Im going to wait until they are to comment.

I agree there are alot of upsets in the new engine, although it appears that is about to change (it is getting to be that the key to this game is just adapting to the constant changes, but I digress).  As one of the "lower" seeds still alive in Smith, I would like to point out that looking at seeds is not the greatest way to judge upsets however.  I was a six seed because my SOS was not good at Illinois.  But talent wise, we were better than a six seed.  In other words, the NT seeding relies too heavily on RPI/SOS...which also leads to some weird results with some regions being stacked from top to bottom with talented teams, and some very talented teams having lower seeds.

First round of the NT in the IBA we had a #1 go down, as well as 1 of each - 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 in div II. In div I I see 3 double digit seeds in the west alone. Other then that there isn't much upsets there at all. Most are BCS teams with high seeds. Div III is a bit crazy. In the midwest the 10, 11, 12 13 and 14 all advanced. I wish I was in that bracket... South has 13 14 and 15. And the west has 13 14 16. Seems like a LOT of upsets in div III, a bit in div II but nothing to over the top. Almost no upsets in div I.

Posted by mccabemi on 8/19/2010 3:05:00 AM (view original):
i'm actually concerned that if they haven't already rolled out the new engine- then there aren't enough upsets right now, and it's sure to become nearly no upsets when that engine is rolled out.   I was almost certain the engine was rolled out until seble said it wasn't.  I'm just not seeing any surprises in my box scores lately.   If I think I'll by 20, I win by 18.  If I think I'll win by 5, I'll win by 4.   And now there is going to be less variance?   Uh oh.

So your a psychic? I sure could've used you in the NT...