Posted by itest on 8/25/2010 12:29:00 AM (view original):
I have always thought it takes around 4 years to build loyalty to move, but here is a profile of one of my RL friends who managed to switch schools (Coastal Carolina to Siena) after just 2 seasons and another 3 to move to Baylor. We're talking a lot of seasons ago, so loyalty could have improved quicker back then.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=101809&wid=2

You're correct, that was before they made the loyalty change.

Posted by antonsirius on 8/24/2010 8:19:00 PM (view original):
I think the onus at this point is on colonels to find any examples of lateral moves comparable to the one he wanted to make.

If tkimble is making the claim, why is the burden of proof on me?  That doesn't make sense.

Posted by girt25 on 8/25/2010 7:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 8/24/2010 6:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 8/24/2010 6:28:00 PM (view original):
 From what I have seen recently you need A+ loyalty to get those low d1 jobs, the ones you would have wanted, and I know with only 2 years at SCSU you would not have had an A+ loyalty.

Do you have proof?  Give me an example...anyone, because like I said, to this point, this statement is conjecture.  I'm not just going to blindly believe that I wouldn't get a D1 job that I was "qualified" for just because I didn't have an A+ loyalty.

What he is saying is true, and has been true for a long time. Common knowledge. Stop being a baby -- only you could start a meaningless thread like this, be exposed as being disingenuous and still be complaining four pages later.

Again, you seem to be misusing "disingenuous" but really, what else should I expect of you?

You (a noted enemy of mine) telling me that it's "common knowledge" though there's no hard proof on either end, simply doesn't make it so, so stop trying to make that seem like the case.  I'm not being a baby at all, I just thought I would/should have been eligible for other D1 jobs even though I let/was forced to let the renewal deadline lapse, because had I renewed in time, I would have been "QUALIFIED" for other D1 jobs, and until proven otherwise, I have no reason to believe that I wouldn't land at least 1 job that I was "QUALIFIED" for...just typing that seems ridiculous.

Again, you can pitch your "the rules are the rules" statement, but that doesn't simply mean that I have to/should blindly agree with them.  Let's face it dalt, you're just typically opposing and arguing with me as usual...seen this all before...

" My advice is based on an outside perspective of a particular job and may not factor in everything that the school considers"

and there is hard proof on one end, you're just choosing to ignore it.

Posted by pinkeye on 8/25/2010 5:29:00 PM (view original):
" My advice is based on an outside perspective of a particular job and may not factor in everything that the school considers"

and there is hard proof on one end, you're just choosing to ignore it.

A. Where's that quote from?

and

B. Where?

the same page you read "qualified" on

and in the several threads similar to this, minus 5 pages of "I DONT BELIEVE U"

Posted by colonels19 on 8/24/2010 5:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by daalter on 8/23/2010 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 8/23/2010 8:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 8/23/2010 8:15:00 PM (view original):
Translation: he didn't want to go back for a third season, he wanted to jump to a different DI team and now he can't.

True...it's more of a misread than anything on my part, thinking that I'd still be eligible for D1 as I mulled over whether I still wanted/want to be in the game or not.  I think it's unfortunate that the process is the way it is, because depending on when I spend/spent my money, delegates what division(s) I can play in...it's not like I missed a season.

Here's the good news: You wouldn't have qualified for another DI team due to loyalty.

Had I renewed I would have qualified

No, you wouldn't have. Like others have said you need the loyalty and rep to move up. If you don't have both, you are not qualified which is where your problem begins and ends. Same thing happened to me at Caldwell. Its a ****** system, and I've got a ticket on about it right now.

Posted by colonels19 on 8/25/2010 5:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 8/25/2010 7:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 8/24/2010 6:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 8/24/2010 6:28:00 PM (view original):
 From what I have seen recently you need A+ loyalty to get those low d1 jobs, the ones you would have wanted, and I know with only 2 years at SCSU you would not have had an A+ loyalty.

Do you have proof?  Give me an example...anyone, because like I said, to this point, this statement is conjecture.  I'm not just going to blindly believe that I wouldn't get a D1 job that I was "qualified" for just because I didn't have an A+ loyalty.

What he is saying is true, and has been true for a long time. Common knowledge. Stop being a baby -- only you could start a meaningless thread like this, be exposed as being disingenuous and still be complaining four pages later.

Again, you seem to be misusing "disingenuous" but really, what else should I expect of you?

You (a noted enemy of mine) telling me that it's "common knowledge" though there's no hard proof on either end, simply doesn't make it so, so stop trying to make that seem like the case.  I'm not being a baby at all, I just thought I would/should have been eligible for other D1 jobs even though I let/was forced to let the renewal deadline lapse, because had I renewed in time, I would have been "QUALIFIED" for other D1 jobs, and until proven otherwise, I have no reason to believe that I wouldn't land at least 1 job that I was "QUALIFIED" for...just typing that seems ridiculous.

Again, you can pitch your "the rules are the rules" statement, but that doesn't simply mean that I have to/should blindly agree with them.  Let's face it dalt, you're just typically opposing and arguing with me as usual...seen this all before...

Lol, you're trying to give me a vocabulary lesson. That's good stuff.

I'm not misusing disingenous whatsoever. It means insincere which desribed you exactly.

And I'm disagreeing with you because you're dead wrong ... which we've all seen before too many times to remember. It's the oldest, most tired act around.

I'm not being insincere at all, I completely disagree with the process and it's premises.

And again, to everyone, had I renewed on time YES I would have "qualified" for D1 jobs...very low level, but I would have qualified because you know what...I qualified for D1 jobs after my first season at D1...it was only 2 or 3, but I was "qualified"...but most of you are telling me that after a 23 win CC season that I'm not going to be "qualified" for any jobs...please, you're taking the effing ****...

Posted by colonels19 on 8/25/2010 5:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 8/24/2010 8:19:00 PM (view original):
I think the onus at this point is on colonels to find any examples of lateral moves comparable to the one he wanted to make.

If tkimble is making the claim, why is the burden of proof on me?  That doesn't make sense.

tkimble was rebutting your claim that you would have been able to switch schools. The onus is on you to provide examples of coaches who made moves similar to what you claimed you could have done had you renewed.

Posted by colonels19 on 8/25/2010 7:10:00 PM (view original):
I'm not being insincere at all, I completely disagree with the process and it's premises.

And again, to everyone, had I renewed on time YES I would have "qualified" for D1 jobs...very low level, but I would have qualified because you know what...I qualified for D1 jobs after my first season at D1...it was only 2 or 3, but I was "qualified"...but most of you are telling me that after a 23 win CC season that I'm not going to be "qualified" for any jobs...please, you're taking the effing ****...

Based on that logic I would have been qualified this season because I have been qualified for div I jobs for about 15 seasons now - way back when I was in div III. Guess what? I'm not. Was the guy that transfered on you a guy you signed? Did you cut anyone? Have anyone fail? All those including the job movement play to big of a part in being able to get a different job or not.

Seriously, colonels, if you're right and we're all wrong, it should be very easy for you to find examples of coaches who jumped from one low DI school to another after only a couple of season - and very satisfying for you to rub our noses in it.

And yet, you won't even look for proof that you're right. You seem offended by the very suggestion that you should even have to look.

Huh. Odd, that. One might almost think you now realize you're wrong after all, and are just being an ******* about it.

Yeah, it is simply not possible. My brother moved from a low end div I school to another 3 seasons ago and he is STILL at a B- and can't move again if he wanted.


http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=512122&wid=2

Posted by antonsirius on 8/25/2010 7:28:00 PM (view original):
Seriously, colonels, if you're right and we're all wrong, it should be very easy for you to find examples of coaches who jumped from one low DI school to another after only a couple of season - and very satisfying for you to rub our noses in it.

And yet, you won't even look for proof that you're right. You seem offended by the very suggestion that you should even have to look.

Huh. Odd, that. One might almost think you now realize you're wrong after all, and are just being an ******* about it.

Not at all, but at the very least, tkimble and I BOTH made claims...thus why should I be the only one to have to prove mine?  Again, that's a ridiculous double standard that puts me at a disadvantage...there's a shocker.

I have no reason to believe that I wouldn't get a job that I was QUALIFIED for, unless another, better user beat me to it.  I don't have any proof for...you don't have any proof against...again, how am I wrong?  Even if you all prove your side, I'm still not going to agree with the jobs process...I don't play HD to be handcuffed to a team for life.

Posted by furry_nipps on 8/25/2010 7:31:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, it is simply not possible. My brother moved from a low end div I school to another 3 seasons ago and he is STILL at a B- and can't move again if he wanted.


http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=512122&wid=2

Ok then...after his season ends, I'd love to see him apply for a job he's "qualified" for and fail due to lack of loyalty...this will be the proof in the pudding.  You saying he can't move even if he wanted isn't proof, I want to see him apply for a "qualified" job and get rejected because of loyalty, because you "saying so" is just hearsay...and that's no disrespect to you, it's just fact.