Posted by gomiami1972 on 9/1/2010 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Yup, and that's one of the main problems.  Villanova should be a D- prestige with that kind of history...but NO, it's a Big East school.  Let's artificially prop them up so that we don't **** off the Villanova fans that may want to try Hoops Dynasty.  What a joke.

Vanderbilt football (or Northwestern or Washington or Kansas) should most times be, by all rights D- prestige. But they are in the SEC, and so their actual prestige level is going to be higher. They will be playing games on National TV regularly while the Bowling Greens of the world will be lucky to play on a regional Fox Sport network. Retaining a higher baseline prestige for schools in good conferences to perfectly acceptable. It's not a joke.

Posted by paul0613 on 9/1/2010 9:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jetwildcat on 9/1/2010 8:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by paul0613 on 9/1/2010 8:15:00 PM (view original):
This is "What IF Sports" not "Real Life Sports"  This would be a much better "game" if it were like NCAA 2010 and  could take any team I want... ANY and win every game because I am the best coach and recruiter. 

Lose baseline prestige all together and prestige caps and lets have a free for all video game!

i thought you were sarcastic at first but i'm not so sure...

Not Kidding, please make this a video game

You should probably stick with NCAA 2010 then.

As a counterpoint, I have jumped back into D1 and am really looking forward to the challenge posed by the latest changes. I have taken down on their luck teams in the ACC, Big East, A10, Horizon, WCC and Metro conferences. So the contention that everyone is leaving D1 is incorrect. It's pure speculation.

Posted by cbriese on 9/1/2010 10:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 9/1/2010 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Yup, and that's one of the main problems.  Villanova should be a D- prestige with that kind of history...but NO, it's a Big East school.  Let's artificially prop them up so that we don't **** off the Villanova fans that may want to try Hoops Dynasty.  What a joke.

Vanderbilt football (or Northwestern or Washington or Kansas) should most times be, by all rights D- prestige. But they are in the SEC, and so their actual prestige level is going to be higher. They will be playing games on National TV regularly while the Bowling Greens of the world will be lucky to play on a regional Fox Sport network. Retaining a higher baseline prestige for schools in good conferences to perfectly acceptable. It's not a joke.

I understand your position.  Our difference of opinion can be boiled down to one simple idea...you believe Hoops Dynasty should be a simulation game and I believe Hoops Dynasty should be a fantasy game.  Such is life, we will respectfully disagree.

Posted by udm_mike on 9/1/2010 12:11:00 PM (view original):
I think the problem could be drastically reduced if they lessened the effect of baseline prestige.  Not sure if this would be doable, since it'd be different affects for different worlds, but I'd like to see baseline prestige go closer and closer to zero in each subsequent season after the 1st.  So the affect in Wooden would be negligible, but the affects in Tark/Phelan would still carry a little bit of weight.  Just my 2 cents.

Not to split hairs, but you do realize that Tark is now the farthest world along, right?

Posted by cbriese on 9/1/2010 10:30:00 PM (view original):
As a counterpoint, I have jumped back into D1 and am really looking forward to the challenge posed by the latest changes. I have taken down on their luck teams in the ACC, Big East, A10, Horizon, WCC and Metro conferences. So the contention that everyone is leaving D1 is incorrect. It's pure speculation.

As a counterpoint to your counterpoint Breezy, just in the last two months I have dropped D1 teams in Crum, 2 in Allen, Knight, and Iba.  So we basically cancel each other out..........

Posted by daalter on 9/1/2010 11:40:00 AM (view original):
Who could've possibly predicted such a thing might happen?

Be humble, Daalter, be humble.......

Posted by gomiami1972 on 9/1/2010 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Yup, and that's one of the main problems.  Villanova should be a D- prestige with that kind of history...but NO, it's a Big East school.  Let's artificially prop them up so that we don't **** off the Villanova fans that may want to try Hoops Dynasty.  What a joke.

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the point I was making.

Well, a world in which a mid-major can almost never become a regular national powerhouse, but can still occasionally under the right circumstances and with a little luck make a big run in the NT, while BCS schools in the toilet can, with solid, intelligent coaching, get turned around over the course of several years -- that sounds sort of like RL to me.  Daalter's Montana squad is the perfect example -- even with consistent runs in the NT, they can never be an A+.  Why?  The Big Sky doesn't have a national TV contract.  In RL California, I can watch the ACC three different times per week.  Can't watch Gonzaga.  That's just how it is.  In RL, when a coach gets a job at Tennessee, Martin, I doubt he says to himself -- with a lot of hard work, I hope to turn this program around to where we're making E8 runs revery year with an outside shot at a title.  No -- he wants to win his conference, become respectable enough to be able to schedule some big names OOC, and turn it into a solid program so that either a) he can continue on as the well-respected coach of a nice mid-major who every few years makes a tiny splash in the NT, or b) get a job at a BCS school, where he can compete for a championship for real.  
Sounds exactly like HD to me.

I think the real question is -- do people want a game where Montana could potentially become the HD equivalent of RL Duke?  Or do they want to more faithfully mirror RL?  Neither way is wrong -- but only one way is happening; WIS chose the latter, and that's where we're headed.  And the truth is, they're simulating that situation very well.  You just can't have it both ways; so for those who want a game where Grambling can consistently field centers and PGs that are 92% as good as UCLA's, HD truthfully may not be for them any more.  But unfortunately, I don't think you can have it both ways, and HD has recognized that, chosen their road, and acted accordingly...

There are a lot of times where someone will post something and I think, "I wish I could have articulated that as well". This is one of those times, jeff.

Posted by jeffdrayer on 9/2/2010 7:43:00 AM (view original):
Well, a world in which a mid-major can almost never become a regular national powerhouse, but can still occasionally under the right circumstances and with a little luck make a big run in the NT, while BCS schools in the toilet can, with solid, intelligent coaching, get turned around over the course of several years -- that sounds sort of like RL to me.  Daalter's Montana squad is the perfect example -- even with consistent runs in the NT, they can never be an A+.  Why?  The Big Sky doesn't have a national TV contract.  In RL California, I can watch the ACC three different times per week.  Can't watch Gonzaga.  That's just how it is.  In RL, when a coach gets a job at Tennessee, Martin, I doubt he says to himself -- with a lot of hard work, I hope to turn this program around to where we're making E8 runs revery year with an outside shot at a title.  No -- he wants to win his conference, become respectable enough to be able to schedule some big names OOC, and turn it into a solid program so that either a) he can continue on as the well-respected coach of a nice mid-major who every few years makes a tiny splash in the NT, or b) get a job at a BCS school, where he can compete for a championship for real.  
Sounds exactly like HD to me.

I think the real question is -- do people want a game where Montana could potentially become the HD equivalent of RL Duke?  Or do they want to more faithfully mirror RL?  Neither way is wrong -- but only one way is happening; WIS chose the latter, and that's where we're headed.  And the truth is, they're simulating that situation very well.  You just can't have it both ways; so for those who want a game where Grambling can consistently field centers and PGs that are 92% as good as UCLA's, HD truthfully may not be for them any more.  But unfortunately, I don't think you can have it both ways, and HD has recognized that, chosen their road, and acted accordingly...

You're right -- the question is whether people want an HD that follows very closely to real life, or one where they have more ability to create their own destiny and dynasties. And you're correct, there's no right or wrong answer there. (Although if the consensus among DI coaches was clearly in one direction, I'd argue that makes one answer more right than the other.) 

Then the follow-up is: Which of those scenarios is best for the overall health of HD? And I don't think there's any question that it's an HD landscape where more teams have a chance to truly compete. It keeps a much larger percentage of coaches happy and interested, and the bottom line is that is really good for HD. If you have a situation where a lot of coaches are feeling disenfranchised and like they can't legitimately compete with a handful of pre-selected schools, that's really bad.

Personally, I think the fact that Montana made six straight Sweet 16's in the actual HD should be a hell of a lot more important than whether the Big Sky has a TV contract in real life. (Not to mention the fact that the Big Sky was the #2/3 conference behind only the ACC over a defined period and would've earned a ton of press and a TV contract with our performance, lol.) 

Maybe WIS should create a world with no baseline prestige or prestige caps and let the consumer decide.

If that world stays stocked with coaches at D1, then the consumer is right, can't be that hard to have one world without prestige.

Posted by paul0613 on 9/2/2010 8:14:00 AM (view original):
Maybe WIS should create a world with no baseline prestige or prestige caps and let the consumer decide.

If that world stays stocked with coaches at D1, then the consumer is right, can't be that hard to have one world without prestige.

Well, I'm sure that world will fill, just like any singular world that offered a cool feature that none of the others did. The real litmus test would be to split them half and half and see how it shook out. (I know that won't happen, just saying that'd be the real way to test it.)

WIS alreadsy has that. Its called DII and DIII

But too many people are hung up on real names for make believe programs.

Posted by cbriese on 9/1/2010 10:30:00 PM (view original):
As a counterpoint, I have jumped back into D1 and am really looking forward to the challenge posed by the latest changes. I have taken down on their luck teams in the ACC, Big East, A10, Horizon, WCC and Metro conferences. So the contention that everyone is leaving D1 is incorrect. It's pure speculation.

WIS apologist.