Would someone please explain to me in detail how to effectively use this strategy.

Identify guys on the DII list that you like, and send them each one phone call. It's not a bad idea to call their coach too, you may get an idea of what offense and defense the recruit is familiar with. when they respond, you will get one of two answers(these are not exactly what they say, but you get the drift). The first is 'get lost', and the second is 'you're a backup option'. When guys tell you to get lost, don't ever contact them again. If they tell you that you are a backup, then they are recruitable. If I want to get a DII player to consider me, I would send about 10 SVs, 10 calls, and maybe 10 letters, and offer a scholarship. If that doesn't do the trick, I would send another couple SVs and maybe a HV in the next cycle. Keep repeating until you show up on their list. Once you show up on their list, you don't need to recruit them any more unless another school gets involved. I always wait until at least the second day of recruiting to pull down players, for two reasons: to see if a DII school jumps on them, and to see if they drop down to me without having to pull them down. I have found that with a distance of <100 miles, with a C range prestige, it takes about $2,000 to pull someone down to DIII from DII.

with the new recruiting, pulldowns are almost non-existent in D2 anymore.  Not sure about D3, but I think it would still be a viable strategy.  In D2 now, you can still pulldown as always, but the pickens are slim & you're vulnerable to the mid D1 schools who are desperate for recruits & will poach you in a heartbeat.

Yeah, I competed in iba against 3 BCS schools and several other lower end div I schools for div II recruits. I expected some div I schools, but not as many and not bcs schools. I'm glad I didn't blow my load into them and tried to pull them down - they were already on my div II screen. Kind of makes it that much sad when they are not even signing guys who would be pull downs for me, they were already on the div II screen... They also were not back ups for the div I schools as far as I know. Each said they were 'tight' with the school based on FSS.

I think the recruits are glad you didn't blow your load into them as well!

Thanks.  I have a DIII team so I will try to use that strategy

You'd be better off if you didn't use the calls and the home visit. He won't accept the home visit until he would have been considering you, so its kind of a waste of money in div III when you need all the money you can get. The calls ain't going to help you any quicker. If he took it with 10 evals and 10 calls, he'd of taken it without the calls and you coulda saved yourself 100 bucks. Just send out calls until you find a back up message and then hit him with 10 evals. If thats not enough, do 2 each cycle until he considers you unless you really want him, then I do 5 or so.

Posted by bullet004 on 9/3/2010 9:30:00 PM (view original):
with the new recruiting, pulldowns are almost non-existent in D2 anymore.  Not sure about D3, but I think it would still be a viable strategy.  In D2 now, you can still pulldown as always, but the pickens are slim & you're vulnerable to the mid D1 schools who are desperate for recruits & will poach you in a heartbeat.

im not sure where you are getting that from, but as best i can tell, pulldowns are very much alive and well in d2. granted, they aren't as big as they were - so instead of pulling down 95% of all your recruits, maybe its down to 75%, or maybe its even as low as half. but they are definitely a major part of d2 recruiting.

DII Smith is still good.  just signed 6 FR all ranked, only one ended up on my DII screen the other 5 were still DI and that was with a B- prestige:

pg 156
pf 174
pf 181
pg 154
sg 136
c 133

Posted by pjbrankin on 9/3/2010 10:05:00 PM (view original):
I think the recruits are glad you didn't blow your load into them as well!

I lol'd

Posted by bullet004 on 9/3/2010 9:30:00 PM (view original):
with the new recruiting, pulldowns are almost non-existent in D2 anymore.  Not sure about D3, but I think it would still be a viable strategy.  In D2 now, you can still pulldown as always, but the pickens are slim & you're vulnerable to the mid D1 schools who are desperate for recruits & will poach you in a heartbeat.

Every recruit I have signed in Div-II over the last 3 months has been a pulldown/dropdown. 

Posted by gillispie on 9/3/2010 11:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bullet004 on 9/3/2010 9:30:00 PM (view original):
with the new recruiting, pulldowns are almost non-existent in D2 anymore.  Not sure about D3, but I think it would still be a viable strategy.  In D2 now, you can still pulldown as always, but the pickens are slim & you're vulnerable to the mid D1 schools who are desperate for recruits & will poach you in a heartbeat.

im not sure where you are getting that from, but as best i can tell, pulldowns are very much alive and well in d2. granted, they aren't as big as they were - so instead of pulling down 95% of all your recruits, maybe its down to 75%, or maybe its even as low as half. but they are definitely a major part of d2 recruiting.

What I mean is the pulldown doesn't happen like it once did.  All 4 of the recruits I signed were on the D1 board on the first cycle.  When they first showed as considering me, 3 had dropped to my D2 screen and only 1 remained on the D1 screen.  (that said, a buddy of mine who has lower prestige said all 4 of my recruits were still on his D1 screen).  So did I pull them down?  I don't call it a pulldown unless they are still on my D1 screen considering me.

Not a bad haul I might add.

SF 96
SF 135
SG 117
PF 188

Posted by furry_nipps on 9/3/2010 11:16:00 PM (view original):
You'd be better off if you didn't use the calls and the home visit. He won't accept the home visit until he would have been considering you, so its kind of a waste of money in div III when you need all the money you can get. The calls ain't going to help you any quicker. If he took it with 10 evals and 10 calls, he'd of taken it without the calls and you coulda saved yourself 100 bucks. Just send out calls until you find a back up message and then hit him with 10 evals. If thats not enough, do 2 each cycle until he considers you unless you really want him, then I do 5 or so.

Alright lets do a mock run down.  I have a DIII team and there is a recruit I want in DII. 

I start off by making an initial 1 phone call to the DII player and if he says I'm a backup option then do 10 scouting trips.
After the 10 scouting trips he should be considering going to my team?
If not do 2 more scouting trips each cycle and if I really want him do 5.

Does that sum it up?

I wouldn't do 5 in a cycle after the initial 10, but then again nipps is a much more accomplished coach than I am. Keep in mind that you may not want to attempt the pull down right away for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post.

Posted by danoneill on 9/4/2010 11:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by furry_nipps on 9/3/2010 11:16:00 PM (view original):
You'd be better off if you didn't use the calls and the home visit. He won't accept the home visit until he would have been considering you, so its kind of a waste of money in div III when you need all the money you can get. The calls ain't going to help you any quicker. If he took it with 10 evals and 10 calls, he'd of taken it without the calls and you coulda saved yourself 100 bucks. Just send out calls until you find a back up message and then hit him with 10 evals. If thats not enough, do 2 each cycle until he considers you unless you really want him, then I do 5 or so.

Alright lets do a mock run down.  I have a DIII team and there is a recruit I want in DII. 

I start off by making an initial 1 phone call to the DII player and if he says I'm a backup option then do 10 scouting trips.
After the 10 scouting trips he should be considering going to my team?
If not do 2 more scouting trips each cycle and if I really want him do 5.

Does that sum it up?

Yeah, pretty much. 2 each cycle will do it, but it depends on how bad you want him and how good he is. After throwing out 10 SV, I don't want to lose him so I will toss out a few extras just to  be sure he is considering me. Keep in mind the longer he is out there undecided the more odds of another div III school pulling him down or even a div II school jumping on him go up. That is why I tend to do 5 the next cycle, and IF that still doesn't do it I'll try a few more + a few visits so when he considers me, he'll accept the visits and usually keep any other school off him so you and another coach don't butt heads in the same cycle.