Posted by emy1013 on 9/2/2010 3:05:00 PM (view original):
The problem I see with this argument (and it may have been brought up before, sorry if I'm repeating) is that the first coaches to jump from D2 to D1 are generally only qualified for the "bottom feeders".  With no baseline prestige, these "bottom feeders" would be able to raise their prestiges fairly easily and the BCS schools that were all Sim coached would become the new "bottom feeders".  Since the smaller schools would now be the higher prestige schools and the BCS schools now the lower prestiges, we'd have basically the same issue as before, just with the roles reversed.  Or am I missing something here?

Posted by gomiami1972 on 9/2/2010 4:18:00 PM (view original):
If a school like a North Carolina, Duke, etc. is looking at a player a DII school is recruiting, doesn't that show in and of itself that something is terribly wrong?  Either there are not enough quality recruits at the DI level or the elite DII schools have too much ability to recruit DI-level players.  Even if it is a temporary phenomenon, a BCS school and a DII school should *never* be going after the same player.  IMHO.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 9/2/2010 4:18:00 PM (view original):
If a school like a North Carolina, Duke, etc. is looking at a player a DII school is recruiting, doesn't that show in and of itself that something is terribly wrong?  Either there are not enough quality recruits at the DI level or the elite DII schools have too much ability to recruit DI-level players.  Even if it is a temporary phenomenon, a BCS school and a DII school should *never* be going after the same player.  IMHO.

Posted by gillispie on 9/2/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 9/2/2010 4:18:00 PM (view original):
If a school like a North Carolina, Duke, etc. is looking at a player a DII school is recruiting, doesn't that show in and of itself that something is terribly wrong?  Either there are not enough quality recruits at the DI level or the elite DII schools have too much ability to recruit DI-level players.  Even if it is a temporary phenomenon, a BCS school and a DII school should *never* be going after the same player.  IMHO.

this actually happened from time to time in the old engine too. in the potential era, there were 2 seasons in a row a big 6 school took my #1 target (before i was on them, but still).

but yeah, it definitely happens more now. generally speaking, in the old engine, if i had 4 scholarships, i would find say the top 5 players and most likely sign 4 of them. now, most like 4 of them are going to d1, 1 or 2 to big 6 schools, and then i am stuck with #5 and #8 and #12 and #16 because all the others went to a damn d1 school!

does this mean something is inherently wrong? i think so. i think the caliber of recruits needs to go up, not in the elite or very good class of recruits, but certainly in the good class of recruits. if d1 schools could find good players regularly, they wouldnt be taking the crap that d2 schools sign (admittedly, sometimes there are really good guys available to d2 schools, but still). they would take a walkon and hope to sign someone better the next year.

The current recruit types have grown on me.  I like the way they are developing, so gotta give credit where credit is due.

Here are the 2 issues in my opinion:
1.  Baseline prestige.  Professor put it perfectly (i think on the 1st page of this forum).  You cant eliminate it, because you want to keep the big name schools somewhat more prestigious than the smaller schools.  But they NEED to reduce the effects of baseline prestige.

2.  The AMOUNT of available recruits needs to be increased.  Again, I like the way potential is playing out.  Players are not capping out as quickly as in the old engine.  

I think if they reduce baseline prestige a bit and just add more recruits to choose from, it will again give smaller programs a fighting chance.  I dont think I am asking for major changes.  Just slight tweaks 

Posted by gomiami1972 on 9/2/2010 11:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie on 9/2/2010 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 9/2/2010 4:18:00 PM (view original):
If a school like a North Carolina, Duke, etc. is looking at a player a DII school is recruiting, doesn't that show in and of itself that something is terribly wrong?  Either there are not enough quality recruits at the DI level or the elite DII schools have too much ability to recruit DI-level players.  Even if it is a temporary phenomenon, a BCS school and a DII school should *never* be going after the same player.  IMHO.

this actually happened from time to time in the old engine too. in the potential era, there were 2 seasons in a row a big 6 school took my #1 target (before i was on them, but still).

but yeah, it definitely happens more now. generally speaking, in the old engine, if i had 4 scholarships, i would find say the top 5 players and most likely sign 4 of them. now, most like 4 of them are going to d1, 1 or 2 to big 6 schools, and then i am stuck with #5 and #8 and #12 and #16 because all the others went to a damn d1 school!

does this mean something is inherently wrong? i think so. i think the caliber of recruits needs to go up, not in the elite or very good class of recruits, but certainly in the good class of recruits. if d1 schools could find good players regularly, they wouldnt be taking the crap that d2 schools sign (admittedly, sometimes there are really good guys available to d2 schools, but still). they would take a walkon and hope to sign someone better the next year.

Yes, I remember.  I had A+ Wayne State (MI) in Iba for 12 seasons, so I was able to go after the best available DI dropdowns as anyone in DII.  On occasion, I would run up against a DI SIM or a D range human DI team for my top targets (somewhere in the 140-200 ranked by position range)...and that was fine.  I was reaching for those players anyway.  Mostly, I was concerned about battling the other A+ DII teams.

However, I would have laughed my *** off if Michigan or Michigan State would have swooped in and taken one of those players.  I would have thought to myself "why the hell is Michigan looking at the #179 ranked SF?"

Posted by gomiami1972 on 9/4/2010 11:03:00 PM (view original):
Why can't you appease both sides?  Have one world run with the way "5 or 10" of us want it to be like and the other worlds can be the way they are now.  If that one world is unprofitable, shut it down.  Most companies offer variations of the same product line to appeal to as broad a consumer base as possible.  Imagine GM offering one vehicle - take it or leave it.  The one size fits all that WIS employs for HD really should be re-evaluated.