coaching multiple teams in the same division/world Topic

crazyivan
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Does anyone but me find it troubling that management doesn't care if you coach multiple teams in the same division and world?

It seems that they'd rather collect the $$$ than keep this 'business' honest. At the very least - they could match the credit card and/or address, and limit 1 team per world per coach.
A coach admitted in the coaches corner that he had another team in the same world/div. I alerted mgt to this and their response was if they are in different parts of the country - they must be playing legal, especially if they admitted it.

They're making it more difficult for me to talk myself into buying more seasons.

10/11/2010 3:27 PM
brip87
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I do not personally liek a guy to have 2 teams in a division of the same world but I have seen it alot.
10/11/2010 3:33 PM
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This has been going on since HD began. In one early season, a coach actually faced himself in the NT finals. As long as the two teams are in different parts of the country it's ok with me. I also have no problem with anyone challanging a coach by reporting him/her. There have been cases where WIS made a coach transfer to a different school because of it.

10/11/2010 3:59 PM
brip87
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I kind of agree here also.  Caliornia and florida for example but both really close im not sure what to thank really
10/11/2010 4:05 PM
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I'm the guy in question here.  I'm dropping my second team in UPRB.  I really meant no harm with my two teams. Just for full disclosure, here are my other aliases - nburnard, chetdogg76, hoosiers77, hoosiers78. I used all those in FC Dynasty. FW_Kekionga and hoosiers76 are the only two I have ever played HD with. Dig around in the FC Dynasty forums and you will see that aliases are ok over there (encouraged by many to fill the empty worlds), which is why I have so many. But they didn't develop that game at all, so I dropped all those teams and thus they are all currently inactive, too bad too because FCD had real potential.

Obviously as this is the internet you can believe what you want, but I want you to know I take the alias issue seriously. I commish two private HBD worlds, and have been on the wrong end of the alias issue a time or two and the consequences are pretty severe if you aren't vigilant. It can be a royal headache, and the effects can have incredible long term ramifications.   Ask around the HBD forums if you don't believe me.  And feel free to have CS check my IP's, I have only ever had two HD teams, one in West New Mexico and the other in U. Puerto Rico Bayamon. 

As I had been away from HD for 20 seasons and only returned when the offered the free credit, I assumed (wrongly) that b/c Smith and many other worlds were so empty that having two teams in the same world wasn't an issue if you didn't use them to the advantage of your other team. It looks like it is though, so I'm out with my UPRB team, I don't want to make waves or cause a problem, it takes the fun out of the game for everyone. I'm sorry for the trouble it caused, it was an honest mistake.

Additional edit - Both my teams were in Smith world b/c my original account moved up to DII, but I still wanted to play in DIII with my friends, thus the alias.  When both got the free credit I took it. 

10/11/2010 4:15 PM (edited)
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It's totally lame and creates too many opportunities to cheat, but people can already cheat with multiple IDs or having upper division teams scouting for lower division teams,  etc.

With so many worlds and 3 divisions in each world  it seems totally unnecessary to allow this kind of stuff. I would much prefer WIS get tough: no multiple IDs and only one team allowed in each world, period. There are 10 HD worlds. Does anyone really need more than 10 HD teams?
10/11/2010 4:24 PM (edited)
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i don't need more than 10 teams, but i do need to have recruiting cycles timed better than they'd be if my teams were all over the different worlds.
10/11/2010 4:17 PM
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Regarding the "different part of the country" argument, many teams recruit nationally - even at D3.  Teams as far apart as Texas and New York, California and Florida could easily be looking at the same players in the in-between states and sharing scouting info.

I'm sure some folks are honest with this stuff, but I'm also pretty sure that some are not.
10/11/2010 4:23 PM
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Posted by FW_Kekionga on 10/11/2010 4:15:00 PM (view original):
I'm the guy in question here.  I'm dropping my second team in UPRB.  I really meant no harm with my two teams. Just for full disclosure, here are my other aliases - nburnard, chetdogg76, hoosiers77, hoosiers78. I used all those in FC Dynasty. FW_Kekionga and hoosiers76 are the only two I have ever played HD with. Dig around in the FC Dynasty forums and you will see that aliases are ok over there (encouraged by many to fill the empty worlds), which is why I have so many. But they didn't develop that game at all, so I dropped all those teams and thus they are all currently inactive, too bad too because FCD had real potential.

Obviously as this is the internet you can believe what you want, but I want you to know I take the alias issue seriously. I commish two private HBD worlds, and have been on the wrong end of the alias issue a time or two and the consequences are pretty severe if you aren't vigilant. It can be a royal headache, and the effects can have incredible long term ramifications.   Ask around the HBD forums if you don't believe me.  And feel free to have CS check my IP's, I have only ever had two HD teams, one in West New Mexico and the other in U. Puerto Rico Bayamon. 

As I had been away from HD for 20 seasons and only returned when the offered the free credit, I assumed (wrongly) that b/c Smith and many other worlds were so empty that having two teams in the same world wasn't an issue if you didn't use them to the advantage of your other team. It looks like it is though, so I'm out with my UPRB team, I don't want to make waves or cause a problem, it takes the fun out of the game for everyone. I'm sorry for the trouble it caused, it was an honest mistake.

Additional edit - Both my teams were in Smith world b/c my original account moved up to DII, but I still wanted to play in DIII with my friends, thus the alias.  When both got the free credit I took it. 

FWIW, CS has told me directly that although technically against the rules, they will not pursue anything even if the aliases are openly acknowledged unless there is evidence of cheating. I was not told what constitutes evidence of cheating.  Therefore, I see no reason for you to delete either team if you want to have both, as CS certainly does not mind, and indeed it is populating worlds and filling WiS coffers...
10/11/2010 4:56 PM
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Posted by Weena on 10/11/2010 3:59:00 PM (view original):

This has been going on since HD began. In one early season, a coach actually faced himself in the NT finals. As long as the two teams are in different parts of the country it's ok with me. I also have no problem with anyone challanging a coach by reporting him/her. There have been cases where WIS made a coach transfer to a different school because of it.

what coach was it that faced himself in the NT finals?
10/11/2010 6:40 PM
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As long as both teams are being played in a competitive fashion, I don't have an issue I guess. The trouble lies when someone grabs a second team for the purpose of draining its bank account grabbing scouting reports for the other team, which then can go after high -potential recruits with a full warchest of cash. 

Yes, some potential exists for some abuse even when both teams are being played competitively, but I suspect its rare and minimal that it impacts the game nearly to the magnitude of using one team as a ghost ship to scout for the other. 
10/11/2010 6:52 PM
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I have a D2 team and D3 team in Wooden.

A bunch of the people in our D3 conference decided to move up together, but then decided we didn't want to leave a bunch of good teams we had built.  We really enjoyed all coaching against each other in the same conference, so now we are doing it in two conferences.  I personally don't see a problem with it so long as there is no advantage gained.

Of course the opportunity is there to cheat, but it would be there even if you banned IP addresses and credit cards attached to two accounts in the same world.
10/11/2010 7:02 PM
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Honestly, with perhaps a very rare exception, I don't think using one team to scout for another team happens. I don't believe success in this game is so vital that someone would spend $12.95 just to gain a minor advantage. Now, FREEHD is a totally different story and its abuse is legendary.
10/11/2010 7:06 PM
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Cracking down on the multiple IDs would eliminate teams for those who use them openly and fairly and the cheaters would still find a way to cheat.  It's the internet, you can manipulate situations like these very easily.

Also, what if a father and young son are playing HD together?  Same IP address and credit card but there's no cheating there.
What if I go on the computer to check HD at a friends house and he also plays HD?  Same IP address, yet there is no cheating there.  

WIS has taken the correct approach on this because the cheaters are going to cheat and cracking down on this will only hurt the innocent.  
10/11/2010 7:55 PM
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I agree openness seems to be the key the cheaters will always cheat and find away.  To me it isnt worth it.   It would take way to much time and brains to cheat and I have neither
10/11/2010 8:06 PM
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