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Anyone who doesn't think that the non-BCS teams have been hurt badly has their head buried deep in the sand.

In Allen, 15 of the 16 Sweet 16 teams were from BCS schools. The only non-BCS (Houston), played in a sub-regional where all four teams were non-BCS. And Allen is a world that has historically been (by far) the best for non-BCS schools. Cleveland State, Yale, Boston U and Southern have all won recent national titles, and many other schools have made deep runs, often consistently. To see Allen get reduced to this is pretty sad.

And honestly, I could care less exactly how many non-BCS teams make the S16 in real life. It's about what's best for HD, and if you don't have a legitimate shot as a non-BCS school, it's going to be terrible for the overall health of DI. It's still early, and we're already seeing some clear results.
10/11/2010 9:21 PM
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Posted by daalter on 10/11/2010 9:21:00 PM (view original):
Anyone who doesn't think that the non-BCS teams have been hurt badly has their head buried deep in the sand.

In Allen, 15 of the 16 Sweet 16 teams were from BCS schools. The only non-BCS (Houston), played in a sub-regional where all four teams were non-BCS. And Allen is a world that has historically been (by far) the best for non-BCS schools. Cleveland State, Yale, Boston U and Southern have all won recent national titles, and many other schools have made deep runs, often consistently. To see Allen get reduced to this is pretty sad.

And honestly, I could care less exactly how many non-BCS teams make the S16 in real life. It's about what's best for HD, and if you don't have a legitimate shot as a non-BCS school, it's going to be terrible for the overall health of DI. It's still early, and we're already seeing some clear results.
so angry.  
10/11/2010 9:59 PM
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Iba now has three non-BCS schools in the Sweet 16....... #1 seed St. Bonaventure; #3 seed Xavier; and #10 seed Wyoming. Wyoming defeated #2 seed So. Florida to advance
10/12/2010 4:10 AM
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Iba A10 is the 7th BCS conf there    
10/12/2010 7:25 AM
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I agree with no one except Daalter
10/12/2010 8:30 AM
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I am not an expert by any means, but we all have the same limited experience with the new engine and new recruits.  So lets look at the participants in the discussion:

Mamxet - 3 BCS teams
Sully - 2 BCS teams
Atrain - 2 seasons of D1 experience
Moy - 1 BCS team
Dahsdebater - 0 D1 experience

So since the implementation of new recruits, how can any of you argue the process when you don't have to go through it? 
Did any of you lose a 590 rated player to a C+ BCS school?
10/12/2010 8:39 AM
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I've found that my recruiting strategy has not changed one bit since the new engine came out.  I've gotten top 10 players at a mid major since the changes.

Is it a bit harder? Yes.  Do I think the recruit generation could be tweaked? Yes Do I think prestige should be tweaked as well? Yes. Do I think it's terrible to be at a mid major right now? No.

And yes, I've lost recruits, and yes, it's not very fun, but I was losing recruits when I was at Purdue, so nothing new.

There is my $0.02 from your side of the fence.

10/12/2010 8:54 AM
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Posted by paul0613 on 10/12/2010 8:39:00 AM (view original):
I am not an expert by any means, but we all have the same limited experience with the new engine and new recruits.  So lets look at the participants in the discussion:

Mamxet - 3 BCS teams
Sully - 2 BCS teams
Atrain - 2 seasons of D1 experience
Moy - 1 BCS team
Dahsdebater - 0 D1 experience

So since the implementation of new recruits, how can any of you argue the process when you don't have to go through it? 
Did any of you lose a 590 rated player to a C+ BCS school?
To answer your question - I'm considering the source. CLEARLY daalt and you are proven crybabies - FACT! (<--did that for daalt). all you do is whine when things get tough. Instead of adapting to the new situation you guys complain and try to get the situation to adapt to you. Since day 1 you and daalt have complained about this new recruit generation process.... without giving it a chance. I suggest you take the effort you put into complaining and use it for something useful... like recruiting ;)
10/12/2010 9:25 AM
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Posted by moy23 on 10/12/2010 9:26:00 AM (view original):
Posted by paul0613 on 10/12/2010 8:39:00 AM (view original):
I am not an expert by any means, but we all have the same limited experience with the new engine and new recruits.  So lets look at the participants in the discussion:

Mamxet - 3 BCS teams
Sully - 2 BCS teams
Atrain - 2 seasons of D1 experience
Moy - 1 BCS team
Dahsdebater - 0 D1 experience

So since the implementation of new recruits, how can any of you argue the process when you don't have to go through it? 
Did any of you lose a 590 rated player to a C+ BCS school?
To answer your question - I'm considering the source. CLEARLY daalt and you are proven crybabies - FACT! (<--did that for daalt). all you do is whine when things get tough. Instead of adapting to the new situation you guys complain and try to get the situation to adapt to you. Since day 1 you and daalt have complained about this new recruit generation process.... without giving it a chance. I suggest you take the effort you put into complaining and use it for something useful... like recruiting ;)
So.... No, you have no first hand experience. That is all you had to say.
10/12/2010 9:52 AM
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Posted by paul0613 on 10/12/2010 8:39:00 AM (view original):
I am not an expert by any means, but we all have the same limited experience with the new engine and new recruits.  So lets look at the participants in the discussion:

Mamxet - 3 BCS teams
Sully - 2 BCS teams
Atrain - 2 seasons of D1 experience
Moy - 1 BCS team
Dahsdebater - 0 D1 experience

So since the implementation of new recruits, how can any of you argue the process when you don't have to go through it? 
Did any of you lose a 590 rated player to a C+ BCS school?
reading is fundamental - rather than say that someone cant "argue the process" one might read and even try to think about what the posts said

this thread began with a report of three facts - only one midmajor in sweet sixteen, an upset and win over a 10 seed - I questioned what this DATA meant and what the poster thought was a problem among the facts that he reported

one does not have to coach a mid major to count or to understand the game

this thread doesnt discuss difficulties of recruiting at mid majors and I certainly didnt discuss them - before you respond to people by saying they have no basis for what they say, consider what they actually said

you seem to think that one data point shows there is a problem - you dont need to be a weatherman to know that its raining and you dont need to be a statistician to know that one datapoint shows little

I also draw to your attention my post earlier in which I said:

"digging beneath the sarcasm, were you troubled that a 2 point favorite lost - that does happen a lot, right, in real world and in HD

were you troubled that mid major beat a 10 seed from SEC - seems reasonable to me

one mid major in the sweet 16 seems light, if it were sustained pattern it would suggest that there is a problem"

and having only BCS teams means that I am not qualified to say this because???? do fill in this blank with a reason please

10/12/2010 10:10 AM (edited)
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Posted by paul0613 on 10/11/2010 2:43:00 PM (view original):
I was pointing out the lack of competition from mid-majors. This is the first year I have counted the number of teams in the S16, so this is year 1 of a potential trend. 
As for future years, I can see mid-majors ranked and have decent RPIs, it's not that hard to schedule smart and win your conference.  I want to see if the engine really lets upperclass heavy mid-majors compete with under class highly rated Big 6rs, as they should.
I'll quote myself here.  Sounds more like I am interested in how this plays out in the future, there is a difference between being a crybaby and pointing out something we should keep an eye on.  Never in this thread did I ever say it was broke and needed to be fixed.
10/12/2010 9:55 AM
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Posted by paul0613 on 10/12/2010 9:55:00 AM (view original):
Posted by paul0613 on 10/11/2010 2:43:00 PM (view original):
I was pointing out the lack of competition from mid-majors. This is the first year I have counted the number of teams in the S16, so this is year 1 of a potential trend. 
As for future years, I can see mid-majors ranked and have decent RPIs, it's not that hard to schedule smart and win your conference.  I want to see if the engine really lets upperclass heavy mid-majors compete with under class highly rated Big 6rs, as they should.
I'll quote myself here.  Sounds more like I am interested in how this plays out in the future, there is a difference between being a crybaby and pointing out something we should keep an eye on.  Never in this thread did I ever say it was broke and needed to be fixed.
so this time its 1 non-bcs in the S16. last time it was 1 ranked mid-major program.

http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=425484

What's next? I don't know... but I bet it will be negative though. Quit playing the victim, wipe off those tears, and start learning how to conquer the new recruiting system at a mid-major.
10/12/2010 10:07 AM
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Pointing out potential issues is not playing the victim, as stated before "pointing out something we should keep an eye on". 

Then the drama queens come in here and start throwing out the crybaby, victim references.
10/12/2010 10:21 AM
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you are too easy to provoke. I'll let you finish your complaint thread w/o any more interruption from me ;)
10/12/2010 10:45 AM
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Lucky me.
10/12/2010 10:57 AM
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