i've got a player on one of my d2 teams who is hi/hi in speed and per. he's got 70 WE. for most of his RS season, he's had 12 minutes in both PER and SP. however, he just went up this 3rd point in speed and he's gone up 13 in PER. 

i've seen a bunch of big men who are hi/hi in speed in the new engine. frequently, they are average in ath and hi/hi in speed but over the course of their first season or two they go up in ath quicker than speed. speed, however, continues to go up for their entire career or something.

is speed just the category that is the most stubborn about improvement? 

He's been working much harder on his PER.  For conditioning, you need 7 minutes to maintain a rating, so he's only practing 5 over.  But for PER, you only need 3 minutes to maintain, so he is working 9 minutes over maintenance.

12 in conditioning is ridiculously low, remember conditioning your working on at least 4 different things ath/sp/sta/dur. I never put less than 15 minutes into conditioning unless I absolutely have to because of study hall and even then I try to cut everything else first. 12 in conditioning is not the same as 12 in areas that practice 1 specific rating. I would estimate 12 minutes in per is equivalent to 17 or 18 minutes in conditioning.

Also: conditioning practice improvement must be spread into sp, ath, stam, and du while all perimeter practice goes into the per skill.

edit: kmason beat me to it

I would agree with kmason, 12 in conditioning is not the same.  The minutes for maintaining a rating is 7 for all other categories except for LP, per, and the oft over-looked conditioning.  While 3 is enough for LP and per, I believe 10 is the number for conditioning.  Putting 12 in a category where you need 3 to maintain is a lot different than putting 12 in a category where you need 10 to maintain.

Posted by kmasonbx on 10/13/2010 3:42:00 PM (view original):
12 in conditioning is ridiculously low, remember conditioning your working on at least 4 different things ath/sp/sta/dur. I never put less than 15 minutes into conditioning unless I absolutely have to because of study hall and even then I try to cut everything else first. 12 in conditioning is not the same as 12 in areas that practice 1 specific rating. I would estimate 12 minutes in per is equivalent to 17 or 18 minutes in conditioning.

ok, i never do either (i used to just set everyone at 20, but lately i've gone to 15 and more o/d as a team) i had to move some of his minutes out of conditioning bc he was failing at the first mid terms, so i put 3 or 5 more minutes into SH. 

you guys are missing the point. even with 20 min conditioning, i see bigs go up more in ath (which they come in average in) than speed (which they come in hi/hi in) regularly. 

Posted by aejones on 10/13/2010 5:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kmasonbx on 10/13/2010 3:42:00 PM (view original):
12 in conditioning is ridiculously low, remember conditioning your working on at least 4 different things ath/sp/sta/dur. I never put less than 15 minutes into conditioning unless I absolutely have to because of study hall and even then I try to cut everything else first. 12 in conditioning is not the same as 12 in areas that practice 1 specific rating. I would estimate 12 minutes in per is equivalent to 17 or 18 minutes in conditioning.

ok, i never do either (i used to just set everyone at 20, but lately i've gone to 15 and more o/d as a team) i had to move some of his minutes out of conditioning bc he was failing at the first mid terms, so i put 3 or 5 more minutes into SH. 

you guys are missing the point. even with 20 min conditioning, i see bigs go up more in ath (which they come in average in) than speed (which they come in hi/hi in) regularly. 

Your bigs have much higher ath and spd in the single digits or low teens? I think stats in the single digits and low teens grow much more slowly.

Posted by tianyi7886 on 10/13/2010 5:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by aejones on 10/13/2010 5:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kmasonbx on 10/13/2010 3:42:00 PM (view original):
12 in conditioning is ridiculously low, remember conditioning your working on at least 4 different things ath/sp/sta/dur. I never put less than 15 minutes into conditioning unless I absolutely have to because of study hall and even then I try to cut everything else first. 12 in conditioning is not the same as 12 in areas that practice 1 specific rating. I would estimate 12 minutes in per is equivalent to 17 or 18 minutes in conditioning.

ok, i never do either (i used to just set everyone at 20, but lately i've gone to 15 and more o/d as a team) i had to move some of his minutes out of conditioning bc he was failing at the first mid terms, so i put 3 or 5 more minutes into SH. 

you guys are missing the point. even with 20 min conditioning, i see bigs go up more in ath (which they come in average in) than speed (which they come in hi/hi in) regularly. 

Your bigs have much higher ath and spd in the single digits or low teens? I think stats in the single digits and low teens grow much more slowly.

i knew this was true (15-85 improved the quickest) but thought it got changed with potential     

The lower and the higher the rating is the slower they improve. So if you have a guy with 5sp and hi potential he'll improve very slowly at first and then pick it up. A guy with 94per and average potential will likely only go up a couple of points during the season.