dcy, it certainly looks to me as though something has changed. Definitely worth asking about. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that a year or two ago that your resume would've at least been qualified for the type of C-level mid-majors that you mentions.

I think they have tweaked it a little bit, earlier this year I was a longshot to go directly from DII to a  B prestige UNC with this last 4:

41	anadeau24	28-5	14-0	9-3	5-2	14-2	3	2	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Final Four)
40	anadeau24	34-1	11-1	14-0	9-0	15-1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
39	anadeau24	26-5	11-2	11-2	4-1	14-2	10	21	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
38	anadeau24	33-2	12-0	14-0	7-2	16-0	2	2	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Championship Game)

After the most recent jobs period in Naismith, I was eligibile for everything at B- or lower, and flat not-qualified  for anything B+ or better (I don't remember seeing any B jobs open when I looked, or anything that wasn't qualified or not qualified), regardless of conference, with this resume:

47	anadeau24	32-3	11-1	13-1	8-1	15-1	2	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Championship Game)
46	anadeau24	23-9	9-4	10-3	4-2	12-4	8	15	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (Final Four)
45	anadeau24	30-4	11-1	12-2	7-1	15-1	3	4	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
44	anadeau24	30-2	11-1	14-0	5-1	16-0	6	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)

So you can definitely still go from DII to a BCS conference, but I do think they have made it tougher to do so.

Posted by girt25 on 11/8/2010 6:37:00 AM (view original):
dcy, it certainly looks to me as though something has changed. Definitely worth asking about. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that a year or two ago that your resume would've at least been qualified for the type of C-level mid-majors that you mentions.

The changes seem to happen more frequently with out anyone told.  Then if you miss out  before or after the change your screwed. 

Well, there is some variability also programmed into the decision making process.  Not every school is a match for Bobby Knight or John Calipari.  The variability sometimes denies some coaches for some jobs randomly ... at least that is my understanding.  So, just because a coach does not get a job, it does not mean he is not qualified (or even mean he is not the most qualified).  If the FAQ and devchats are to be believed, the variability is added for enjoyment and to sometimes give a longshot a chance.

Seble has also stated that job hiring is the next thing to get a major rework ... so regardless of how it is being done now, it will be the next major rework.  Any tickets submitted will likely be answered that the job hiring process is currently being reviewed to be upgraded.

Posted by furry_nipps on 11/7/2010 11:22:00 PM (view original):
My caldwell team even after a national title and 2 other NT runs in a 6 year span I wasn't qualified for some of the A-10 schools either

well that's in iba right? the a-10 was the best conference in iba up until about this season

Posted by hughesjr on 11/8/2010 9:34:00 AM (view original):
Well, there is some variability also programmed into the decision making process.  Not every school is a match for Bobby Knight or John Calipari.  The variability sometimes denies some coaches for some jobs randomly ... at least that is my understanding.  So, just because a coach does not get a job, it does not mean he is not qualified (or even mean he is not the most qualified).  If the FAQ and devchats are to be believed, the variability is added for enjoyment and to sometimes give a longshot a chance.

This would be news to me.

Me to.

Posted by hughesjr on 11/8/2010 9:34:00 AM (view original):
Well, there is some variability also programmed into the decision making process.  Not every school is a match for Bobby Knight or John Calipari.  The variability sometimes denies some coaches for some jobs randomly ... at least that is my understanding.  So, just because a coach does not get a job, it does not mean he is not qualified (or even mean he is not the most qualified).  If the FAQ and devchats are to be believed, the variability is added for enjoyment and to sometimes give a longshot a chance.

exactly when did this variability get programmed into the game?  Reference the source please, even your guess as to when you thought you heard this.

As far as I know, this is not a true statement.

Posted by ll316 on 11/8/2010 5:51:00 AM (view original):
They must have changed the logic.  There was a time when I could have jumped straight from D3 to low D-1 (On my udm_mike alias, before I started to suck as a coach).  I'd think your resume would be plenty good enough for a C- prestige.  What does it matter what conference it is?  The conference prestige is built into the school prestige already, isn't it?  So a C- ACC school should theoretically be as prestigious as a C- Horizon school.  Or am I mistaken there?

You can still do this.  mbalding just made the jump from Moravian to Fordham (Ivy League) in Knight 4 seasons ago or so.

Posted by oldresorter on 11/8/2010 2:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hughesjr on 11/8/2010 9:34:00 AM (view original):
Well, there is some variability also programmed into the decision making process.  Not every school is a match for Bobby Knight or John Calipari.  The variability sometimes denies some coaches for some jobs randomly ... at least that is my understanding.  So, just because a coach does not get a job, it does not mean he is not qualified (or even mean he is not the most qualified).  If the FAQ and devchats are to be believed, the variability is added for enjoyment and to sometimes give a longshot a chance.

exactly when did this variability get programmed into the game?  Reference the source please, even your guess as to when you thought you heard this.

As far as I know, this is not a true statement.

The FAQ does say " Each school will have different requirements in each category (for example College X may hire a coach with a poor reputation whereas College Y would not)" and there is an old dev chat that mentions this with regards to reputation specifically.

The FAQ also says that "The agent does not know what each school is looking for in each specific category - he only knows, in total, whether there could be a match between your resume and the schools' needs."  so that in theory, you could be listed as qualified but be rejected when you apply.   I'm not sure how often that has ever happened - I think that if that did happen, I would remember the big ruckus that would have overtaken the forums.  I also don't know if this is random, or they applied some logic - UNLV/Memphis/SMU, etc are more lenient, the Ivy league schools are the strictest, etc.

And of course, 3 questions after this in the FAQ is the question "What's the deal with discipline?" so it could be completely outdated.

Posted by dahsdebater on 11/8/2010 2:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ll316 on 11/8/2010 5:51:00 AM (view original):
They must have changed the logic.  There was a time when I could have jumped straight from D3 to low D-1 (On my udm_mike alias, before I started to suck as a coach).  I'd think your resume would be plenty good enough for a C- prestige.  What does it matter what conference it is?  The conference prestige is built into the school prestige already, isn't it?  So a C- ACC school should theoretically be as prestigious as a C- Horizon school.  Or am I mistaken there?

You can still do this.  mbalding just made the jump from Moravian to Fordham (Ivy League) in Knight 4 seasons ago or so.

In fairness, mbalding was at Moravian for like 100 years and had about a gazillion titles...

acn - I get what those things mean that you quoted, but random deny is something all together different, I have never had that happen, and I have applied for possibly more jobs than anyone at this game, to me the job hiring function has worked predictably and logically, no random deny function.

Posted by oldresorter on 11/8/2010 5:05:00 PM (view original):
acn - I get what those things mean that you quoted, but random deny is something all together different, I have never had that happen, and I have applied for possibly more jobs than anyone at this game, to me the job hiring function has worked predictably and logically, no random deny function.

I've never seen a random denial either OR.

And to whomever keeps trying to hide this thread, could you at least have the courtesy to explain why?

Posted by hughesjr on 11/8/2010 9:34:00 AM (view original):
Well, there is some variability also programmed into the decision making process.  Not every school is a match for Bobby Knight or John Calipari.  The variability sometimes denies some coaches for some jobs randomly ... at least that is my understanding.  So, just because a coach does not get a job, it does not mean he is not qualified (or even mean he is not the most qualified).  If the FAQ and devchats are to be believed, the variability is added for enjoyment and to sometimes give a longshot a chance.

hughes, I don't believe this is correct at all. FAQ is not to be believed.

EDIT: Oops, emy, OR, etc. beat me to it.