How did I do in recruiting, strategy-wise? Topic

Looking for thoughts on how I approached this past recruiting period with a B- d3 school...

1. Initial budget of approx. $16,000, 5 openings
2. FSS before recruiting begins, i do MN-WI-MI-IA-IL-IN-OH-MO for $4043. This encompasses all players within 360 miles or so, plus a few in the 400+ range.
3. I do my player evaluations for the scouted states for all players projected for D3 and D2. two d3 prospects appear inordinately good (the #5 pg and the #1 C/PF and projected for d3). i pick out 40 dropdown candidates in these states, give them phone calls. I also pick out all the international and puerto rican players who appeared pulldown-worthy, and either called them or sent a package (about 40 as well).
4. on the first cycle, i put in 10 calls, 10 letters, 1 eval and a schollie offer to each of the prodigious d3 prospects (about $600 each), as well as calls/letters to each of the pulldown candidates.
5. neither of d3 players are considering me after 1st cycle; the PG is considering two conference mates (one C- w/ 5 openings about 40 miles away (i was about 220), one C- w/ 3 openings) and the C is considering two other schools more close to him, one a d2 school. i decide to abandon the C and hold off, at least for now, on the PG.
6. i also narrowed my potential pulldowns based on who gave me the backup message. two potential pulldowns are within 50 miles so i send them each a "Weena"...phone call, letter, 10 evals and a coach call. neither is considering me after one cycle. i put in 2 more evals each the next cycle and both (SG and PF) are considering me, however the PF is also considering an A prestige 3-schollie conference mate. I hold off, for now, on the PF and put a guaranteed start/20 min to the SG to try and lock him down more (since i was going to start him anyway). i don't remember if this made FSS call him "very tight" or not.
7. i wait and get my first dropdown to call me back, a SG that was the #6 PG on my board. i decide to abandon the d3 PG and go after the SG with 10 calls, 10 letters, 3 evals and a schollie offer ($1200-ish)
8. i briefly consider going after the next two highest-ranked d3 prospects on my board (PF and C) and using the rest of my money on fighting for the PF or even stealing the d3 PG i mentioned earlier; i spend $600 on the C, who gets considered by a conference mate the next cycle and not me. i'm down to about 5k after this move, with only two players considering "only me" and the PF pulldown attempt considering me and the A prestige guy. i decide that it'd be best that i just wait for dropdowns instead of fighting for the d3 guys, the pulldown PF or d3 PG.
9. I sign the two players considering me, and two more players drop down who i grab and sign for $1200 and $1350 (both 10 calls, 10 packets, 3 evals and schollie offer.) i have about $2600 left and one schollie to go.
10. I don't like any of the scouted players too much, and since i only had 1 returning guard on my roster, go after the best guard from PR who called me back (2100 miles away). I start with a $700 eval, which tells me nothing. second eval helps a little, however i only have about $900 after the second eval. I put in 10 calls, 10 packets, a schollie offer, 10 minutes and another eval to land him. ended with $61.

comments?
11/15/2010 5:06 PM
Well done.     
11/15/2010 5:33 PM
Wasted way to much money for div III. You could be signing these guys for under 600 so I don't know why you are doubling it. Also, if you were willing to offer somone a start, why not just sign said player for 200ish bucks? 
11/15/2010 6:28 PM
Posted by furry_nipps on 11/15/2010 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Wasted way to much money for div III. You could be signing these guys for under 600 so I don't know why you are doubling it. Also, if you were willing to offer somone a start, why not just sign said player for 200ish bucks? 
If a start is needed $120 is enough.  I am to lazy to read the whole post.
11/15/2010 6:40 PM
Posted by furry_nipps on 11/15/2010 6:28:00 PM (view original):
Wasted way to much money for div III. You could be signing these guys for under 600 so I don't know why you are doubling it. Also, if you were willing to offer somone a start, why not just sign said player for 200ish bucks? 
i didnt know they'd accept a start. used to d1 that way i guess.

guaranteed starts can be used to pull guys down?
11/15/2010 8:00 PM
No.  They have to be willing to talk to you.  If a person who is still looking at you as a backup they'll almost always reject the start.  Tell you something about appreciating the idea but they don't know enough about your school to accept it right now.
11/15/2010 8:51 PM
jet, nice job making the best of your low cash later on. one question for you: I usually start with FSS only inside 200 miles - I'm looking for easier, cheaper pulldown candidates. As I get close to (and past) the start of signings, I'll usually expand my FSS circle, because by then I can get good recruits from both pulldown and dropdown, and because FSS gets cheaper after signings. I'm curious why you started with so many states right off the bat, when even a 180-mi radius would've given you (I think) 4 states? Not saying my way is right - just trying to understand a diff way.

11/15/2010 9:00 PM
just more fish in the sea. i figure it's not inconceivable that i would go after a guy 300-500 miles away. its cheaper than fighting for a guy next door.
11/15/2010 9:51 PM
furry/brip/etc ... I thought they'd made a change so that a recruit wouldn't accept promises unless you'd already put some other recruiting effort in. Does that no longer apply?
11/15/2010 10:10 PM
Posted by girt25 on 11/15/2010 10:10:00 PM (view original):
furry/brip/etc ... I thought they'd made a change so that a recruit wouldn't accept promises unless you'd already put some other recruiting effort in. Does that no longer apply?
I have signed players for just FR start and/or pt. And this was as recent as this season in Smith.
11/15/2010 11:12 PM
No, they will accept the promise start just not the promised minutes without any other effort.
11/16/2010 1:37 AM
Only thing I would say is I think you spent too much money on FSS for D3.. I generally don't go past 200 miles right away, then if it's slim pickings, I'll expand a bit.
11/16/2010 1:59 AM
the only thing you did that i don't is the FSS in that many states. Good job getting good guys while avoiding battles you can't really win.
11/16/2010 4:36 AM
so, basically, once a player has dropped down, you can typically sign him for a schollie and 3 evals (or about $500 worth of calls/letters) OR a call, schollie and a start?
11/16/2010 9:30 AM
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