So you get that sitemail from a new coach asking for help.  What do you do?  I have several tips I will throw in along the way, but I don't want to bias the conversation too much, so for starters, I will throw out one tip.

I tend to try and teach students of this game how to fish, rather than give them fish dinner.  So I usually will not set a depth chart for them, or a shot chart, or give them setting.  I alwasy turn it around and ask them to tell me what they plan to do and more importantly why, then I work with that to help them.  Also, selfishly, I often find out I learn near as much as they do, often thay have great ideas that I would not have thought of, and they would not have expressed, had I not asked.
11/18/2010 10:06 AM
I only answer questions.  unless I see something that they are doing just very wrong then I let them know what i would do in theat instance.  I mentor a few off and on.  I prefer to let them learn from mistakes and experience but will answer any questions they have.
11/18/2010 10:11 AM
well, i take it a few different ways. i have been running a mentoring program in the GLV in tark for about a year and a half. you get a lot of variation in how much help people are interested in getting, so the first thing i would suggest, is go into it open-minded and flexible in your expectations. also, i generally don't get totally rookies, so i'm not sure exactly how much translates. i will try to share my experience to give people some ideas they can use in their own mentoring, but i am sure there are many good and different ways to be a successful mentor, so i would like to stress, play around and find what works for you (and the other party), there is no magic formula.

the first thing i do when somebody joins the mentoring program is send out a few write ups i've saved. its basically analogous to a new coaches guide except for a bit more advanced audience. i have 1 for recruiting, one for scheduling, and one for team setup and analysis/game planning. they are probably about 7 sitemail pages each, so its not a ton of detail, but hits most of the major concepts. for example, the recruiting write up i use covers a generally approach (stressing the importance of pre-recruiting planning, building a vision for your team, planning for need, thinking ahead multiple seasons, etc), and then goes on to cover the difference mechanical aspects, like scouting (with the different eval messages), dropdowns, pulldowns... the goal is to establish a baseline of understanding so that people know the options available to them, and so that we can build intelligent conversations off a reliable foundation of understanding. generally it is left up to the coach to ask me to expand on a topic if he is not familiar with it and needs more info.

from there, i mostly leave it up to coaches to come to me for help. the major exception is with new engine changes. probably 2 or 3 times after the last big engine change, i wrote up my thoughts on the changes, and how to compensate for them, to try to give the group a head start on the changes. also, from time to time (once or twice a year) ill go through and evaluate someone's schedule, or their recruiting class, etc, based on the need i feel.

so outside that, its all up to people to ask questions. when they do, how do you handle it? i try to give as much information about the approach to solving the problem as possible, as opposed to just giving the answer. that said, i will at times spend an hour or two going through their player game plan, depth chart, and team game plan settings giving them all the changes i would recommend. but, for every change, i go through the thought process i am using, leaving the answer for the end. and i often ask a coach to first give me his thoughts on his general strategy for his team, why he is using the lineup he is using and the like, so i can try to cater to his perspective, or so i can identify root causes of problems, instead of just the end results that need to be different.

anyway, there are plenty of ways you can approach the situation - proactive, reactive, whatever it is, im sure there are a ton of ways to be successful and to help people out. the most important thing is to be friendly and leave the door open, avoiding the negativity that sometimes is used in helping rookies here in the forums. also, with a really enthusiastic guy, from time to time, challenge them to do better. say hey, you are doing a good job, but i know you can do better, why don't you take some time to think about (insert area that you think he could improve on). a guy who really wants to get better will take this lead and will go explore the area, and can really benefit from this.

finally, i agree with OR, you can often learn a lot from being a mentor. if nothing else, the other guy will often ask questions you haven't explicitly tried to answer, and that can be very enlightening. or if you are trying to analyze his team for him, he may have aspects to his team you don't usually have in your normal strategy, which may open your mind to some possibilities you can use for your own team. so it really can be a rewarding experience in a number of different ways.
11/18/2010 2:01 PM
gil - that is funny, I used to do what you do, then I just published it all.  After answering a few requests today, I now remember why I just published it all, although you miss out on the personal contact, that is for sure.

11/18/2010 6:09 PM

I envy both of your attentions to details.  I guess thats why you guys are the best.

11/18/2010 6:13 PM
I guess i should have read those sitemails billy g.............
11/18/2010 7:03 PM
Posted by oldresorter on 11/18/2010 6:09:00 PM (view original):
gil - that is funny, I used to do what you do, then I just published it all.  After answering a few requests today, I now remember why I just published it all, although you miss out on the personal contact, that is for sure.

honestly OR, if not for the personal contact that allows me to find people to continue my endless ramblings about this game, i would have stopped playing a long time ago :)
11/18/2010 7:49 PM
I'm more of a cheerleader. I know we play to win the game... but where and how? For ex. If someone wants to coach at their Alma mater as quickly as possible then team development might be different than building a dynasty. For some people it might be trying to win using the all international team. Whatever a new coach finds fun may keep his interest longer so I tend to encourage newbies to go for it while mentioning fundamentals like reb/def/off.
11/20/2010 1:54 AM
I have gotten a handful of requests since this mentoring thing started.  One observation is someone that seble listens to should submit a ticket asking for target minutes to be wiped out.  It seems most new coaches play target, it just makes sense to them.  Unless something has changed (I have not played a game with target for over a year, might be 3 years?) - I don't think target is a good strategy at all.

This game is hard enough, without directing (albeit indirectly) new coaches to a losing strategy.
11/20/2010 7:34 AM
i think i am on the border of a good team but not quite there.  if anyone can give me any input on my roster or ideas on distribution i would appreciate it.  specifically, i'm trying to figure out:

A: other than white and courter, who would be my best third option on offense.
B: would bernard jackson or paul sanders be better at sf for this year?  jackson has better perimeter shooting and rebounding, sanders has better defense, speed, blocking and iq.
11/20/2010 9:11 AM
Posted by oldresorter on 11/20/2010 7:34:00 AM (view original):
I have gotten a handful of requests since this mentoring thing started.  One observation is someone that seble listens to should submit a ticket asking for target minutes to be wiped out.  It seems most new coaches play target, it just makes sense to them.  Unless something has changed (I have not played a game with target for over a year, might be 3 years?) - I don't think target is a good strategy at all.

This game is hard enough, without directing (albeit indirectly) new coaches to a losing strategy.
The player that asked me for help was using target also.  I believe I did also when I started.
11/20/2010 12:08 PM
I get a lot of requests/questions via sitemail, and I also try to provide an overall methodology/strategic outlook as opposed to just saying, "start X, not Y". I've tried to go out of my way to help conference mates, but nothing as elaborate as you describe, billyg. 
11/21/2010 1:18 AM
what is target?
11/21/2010 2:06 AM
Posted by metsmaniac2 on 11/21/2010 2:06:00 AM (view original):
what is target?
when setting the depth chart you have a choice of target minutes or fatigue - looks like this - most vets will tell you to pick fatigue:

Substitute by: Target MinutesFatigue

11/21/2010 10:26 AM
I intend to mentor by browbeating and insulting.  (Possibly stalking as well.)
11/22/2010 11:11 AM
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