Elite 8, all 8 teams are either all Press or Press/zone. Guess the press is still good and alive. 

I think the press is definitely still alive.  I wish seble would just scrap it already.

Posted by isack24 on 12/26/2010 11:53:00 PM (view original):
I think the press is definitely still alive.  I wish seble would just scrap it already.

If he does it, he better give the press coaches the choice to get matching IQ in either man or zone. It would really suck for press coaches to all of sudden go from playing with all A- and higher IQ to all D-.

Of course.  I don't think anyone would disagree.

why scrap the press - tons of teams play it a ton - look at missouri for instance.

i would rather add defenses - like a box+1 or a tiangle+2 (both of which would need man and zone IQ)

0 teams in the history of the universe run HD's version of the press.

Even Missouri doesn't press off misses, and they don't run constant, 100% traps all the time.

It's fine as some sort of secondary defense; not fine as a base defense, and not fine the way it is defined by HD.

Posted by isack24 on 12/27/2010 5:26:00 AM (view original):
0 teams in the history of the universe run HD's version of the press.

Even Missouri doesn't press off misses, and they don't run constant, 100% traps all the time.

It's fine as some sort of secondary defense; not fine as a base defense, and not fine the way it is defined by HD.

This -- 100%.

Posted by isack24 on 12/27/2010 5:26:00 AM (view original):
0 teams in the history of the universe run HD's version of the press.

Even Missouri doesn't press off misses, and they don't run constant, 100% traps all the time.

It's fine as some sort of secondary defense; not fine as a base defense, and not fine the way it is defined by HD.

Thats not true.  Arkansas ran a press like this, that's where Mike Anderson learned it.  Mizzou ran it more like that 2 years ago.  UAB ran it like that when Anderson was there.  Clemson used to press like that.  And a ton of AAU and high school teams play like that.

Posted by cburton23 on 12/27/2010 12:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 12/27/2010 5:26:00 AM (view original):
0 teams in the history of the universe run HD's version of the press.

Even Missouri doesn't press off misses, and they don't run constant, 100% traps all the time.

It's fine as some sort of secondary defense; not fine as a base defense, and not fine the way it is defined by HD.

Thats not true.  Arkansas ran a press like this, that's where Mike Anderson learned it.  Mizzou ran it more like that 2 years ago.  UAB ran it like that when Anderson was there.  Clemson used to press like that.  And a ton of AAU and high school teams play like that.

No, that was not what Arkansas ran, either. Arkansas' "40 Minutes of Hell" was pressing/trapping after made baskets until the opposing team passed halfcourt, and then pressure man-to-man defense in the halfcourt.

In reality, it was nothing like HD's version of the full-court press, which simply does not exist as a base defense at the college level.

(And really, even the fact that we are straining to see if we might possibly be able to come up with one or two programs who run it further solidifies isack's position, which is that using it as one of the the three base defenses alongside m2m and zone makes no sense.)

Exactly, girt.