I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

For perimeter players, BH definitely plays a role in the equation, and LP matters if you want to have a perimeter player that drives to the hoop. 

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/21/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):
I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

perimeter player - ath,spd ratings, iq, and perimeter is not a factor. perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not.

post player - ath is most important, speed doesn't hurt, iq, and lp actually is important.

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/21/2011 8:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/21/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):
I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

perimeter player - ath,spd ratings, iq, and perimeter is not a factor. perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not.

post player - ath is most important, speed doesn't hurt, iq, and lp actually is important.

Uglyskunk, on what are you basing your assertion that "perimeter" impacts only shooting threes instead of shooting jumpshots in general (of which threes would only be a part)?

The Dev Chats explicitly refute that. They also suggest that the role of IQ in scoring was purposefully diminished. Did Seble change something with that recently?

I'm with skunk, but in my opinion, bh helps players score more efficiently. 

I disagree re: the value of perimeter.  It's not that you NEED perimeter to be an effective scorer as a guard, or even that they can be significantly better/more efficient with it (although very good perimeter, speed, BH shooters in D3 can shoot 45%+, and very few guards are ever going to shoot 67%, so very good perimeter shooting guards are the most efficient scorers).  That being said, if your guards aren't perimeter shooters it becomes increasingly easy for opponents to pack the defense in very close.  -3/-4 don't hurt inside scoring as much as they used to in the old engine, but it still makes it less likely you'll win the games where you're a fairly even match...

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/21/2011 8:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/21/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):
I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

perimeter player - ath,spd ratings, iq, and perimeter is not a factor. perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not.

post player - ath is most important, speed doesn't hurt, iq, and lp actually is important.

"Perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not" is a false statement.  Not even in the same ballpark as the truth.  I can't believe someone who has had as much success as you've had would even suggest that the Perimeter rating is only about shooting threes.  Mind-boggling........

Posted by dcy0827 on 1/22/2011 2:54:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/21/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):
I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

perimeter player - ath,spd ratings, iq, and perimeter is not a factor. perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not.

post player - ath is most important, speed doesn't hurt, iq, and lp actually is important.

"Perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not" is a false statement.  Not even in the same ballpark as the truth.  I can't believe someone who has had as much success as you've had would even suggest that the Perimeter rating is only about shooting threes.  Mind-boggling........

It's not mind-boggling, because it's not hard to win in DIII vs. that type of competition. I'm sure putting it out there like that makes me an a-hole (or a bigger a-hole, depending on who you ask), but come on, it's just the truth.

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/22/2011 2:33:00 AM (view original):
I disagree re: the value of perimeter.  It's not that you NEED perimeter to be an effective scorer as a guard, or even that they can be significantly better/more efficient with it (although very good perimeter, speed, BH shooters in D3 can shoot 45%+, and very few guards are ever going to shoot 67%, so very good perimeter shooting guards are the most efficient scorers).  That being said, if your guards aren't perimeter shooters it becomes increasingly easy for opponents to pack the defense in very close.  -3/-4 don't hurt inside scoring as much as they used to in the old engine, but it still makes it less likely you'll win the games where you're a fairly even match...

This is a pretty good analysis. You don't have to have pe to be an effective scorer. But all else being equal, if you have high pe that will make you even more effective. And the opponent game-planning thing is very true.

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/21/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):
I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

perimeter player - ath,spd ratings, iq, and perimeter is not a factor. perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not.

post player - ath is most important, speed doesn't hurt, iq, and lp actually is important.

"Perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not" is a false statement.  Not even in the same ballpark as the truth.  I can't believe someone who has had as much success as you've had would even suggest that the Perimeter rating is only about shooting threes.  Mind-boggling........

it is the truth, i'm shocked with all of your success that you haven't seen it. perimeter is by ffffffffffffffffffar the most overrated and misunderstood rating here. i have had a wealth of success manipulating the category.

Posted by girt25 on 1/22/2011 10:19:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/21/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):
I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

perimeter player - ath,spd ratings, iq, and perimeter is not a factor. perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not.

post player - ath is most important, speed doesn't hurt, iq, and lp actually is important.

"Perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not" is a false statement.  Not even in the same ballpark as the truth.  I can't believe someone who has had as much success as you've had would even suggest that the Perimeter rating is only about shooting threes.  Mind-boggling........

It's not mind-boggling, because it's not hard to win in DIII vs. that type of competition. I'm sure putting it out there like that makes me an a-hole (or a bigger a-hole, depending on who you ask), but come on, it's just the truth.

"its not hard to win at d3" w. i just looked at your record hot shot and you didn't win jack at d3. do you really think your wins with north carolina mean more then my d3 championships? they don't. (edited)

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/22/2011 11:09:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/21/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):
I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

perimeter player - ath,spd ratings, iq, and perimeter is not a factor. perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not.

post player - ath is most important, speed doesn't hurt, iq, and lp actually is important.

"Perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not" is a false statement.  Not even in the same ballpark as the truth.  I can't believe someone who has had as much success as you've had would even suggest that the Perimeter rating is only about shooting threes.  Mind-boggling........

It's not mind-boggling, because it's not hard to win in DIII vs. that type of competition. I'm sure putting it out there like that makes me an a-hole (or a bigger a-hole, depending on who you ask), but come on, it's just the truth.

"its not hard to win at d3" what a joke of a coach you are. maybe you should've never left d3. i just looked at your record hot shot and you didn't win jack at d3? does that make you an a-hole, oh yeah. do you really think your wins with north carolina mean more then my d3 championships? they don't scooter. i could win with north carolina year in, year out. pathetic

First, this was my buddy's account initially, I helped him sometimes. I took over the last season of DIII at Cal Lutheran and thereafter. You can check out my DIII record under daalter. 

But more importantly, what you don't understand is that DIII several years ago vs. DIII now is like playing in the NBA vs. the NBDL. It's not even comparable. Most of the best coaches had DIII dynasties, we all beat up on each other, DIII was full. Now DIII is a vast wasteland. Sorry if that ****** you off, but it's the truth. So yeah, championships in DI and DII mean a lot more than those in DIII.

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/22/2011 10:59:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/21/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):
I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

perimeter player - ath,spd ratings, iq, and perimeter is not a factor. perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not.

post player - ath is most important, speed doesn't hurt, iq, and lp actually is important.

"Perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not" is a false statement.  Not even in the same ballpark as the truth.  I can't believe someone who has had as much success as you've had would even suggest that the Perimeter rating is only about shooting threes.  Mind-boggling........

it is the truth, i'm shocked with all of your success that you haven't seen it. perimeter is by ffffffffffffffffffar the most overrated and misunderstood rating here. i have had a wealth of success manipulating the category.

Funny thing ... take a look at both of your teams:

-Missouri Western: Leading scorer is Chia ... a sg with 85 pe. Shot 44.5% from 3p for the season, and was an extremely efficient scorer.
-LaVerne: Leading scorer (through three games) is Connelly ... a sg with 83 pe. Shooting 44% from 3p from the season, 25 of his 29 shots have been 3p's.

So if pe is so worthless and overrated -- what's going on here?

What I'd like to know is this, if Per only affects three point shots, and LP is back-to-the-basket and at the rim shots, what ratings would come into play on a fifteen foot mid-range jumper.  According to certain coaches, it isn't Per and it obviously isn't LP, so what ratings would determine whether a mid-range jumper is missed or made? 

And by the way Ugly, do you always get so defensive and hostile when someone disagrees with you?

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/22/2011 10:59:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/21/2011 7:36:00 PM (view original):
I've played a couple seasons but I am mostly a hack.   How do you tell if someone will be an efficient scorer?  What is important?

For a Perimeter player I assume it is:  IQ, PER, SPD and ATH (maybe BH).  Does LP matter?  Am I missing something?

For a Post player is it IQ, LP, ATH?  What else matters?

Thanks in advance.

perimeter player - ath,spd ratings, iq, and perimeter is not a factor. perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not.

post player - ath is most important, speed doesn't hurt, iq, and lp actually is important.

"Perimeter simply means if he can shoot threes or not" is a false statement.  Not even in the same ballpark as the truth.  I can't believe someone who has had as much success as you've had would even suggest that the Perimeter rating is only about shooting threes.  Mind-boggling........

it is the truth, i'm shocked with all of your success that you haven't seen it. perimeter is by ffffffffffffffffffar the most overrated and misunderstood rating here. i have had a wealth of success manipulating the category.

This may be true, and in fact, I somewhat agree with you.  I don't worry a whole lot about a guard's Perimeter rating when I recruit.  Personally, I focus more on Ath, Spd, and Def and worry about the other stuff later.  But the statement you made about Perimeter only affecting three point shots is just not correct.  Now whether you manipulate the rating to your advantage or not is a whole different discussion, and kudos to you for figuring out a way to do it, but the underlying issue here is that new coaches may read a statement like you made and take it as gospel, when in fact, it is incorrect info.  A factual statement would be that the Perimeter rating affects three point shots along with mid-range jumpers.