Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/25/2011 12:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coach_billyg on 1/25/2011 11:57:00 AM (view original):
skunk, why you think my post about d3 was a shot at you, i don't know. but it wasn't. and you said per only mattered for 3s. that is dead wrong. i pointed that out. nothing wrong with it. if you post something so wrong again, i will post a dissenting opinion again. thats how the forums work... and its important for younger coaches who don't know enough to see immediately that you are dead wrong, that there are other opinions out there. thats all.

i don't care that you don't know my different names and all that. its still every bit as ridiculous that you would call me out for comparing d3 to d1 by my d3 resume when you are stating your opinion on the same subject without ever having played a GAME in d1. why don't you give that a try and then get back to me on how hard it is to win championships there? and besides, my d1 resume on gillispie has nothing to do with anything else i've done, so you can't hide your cherry picking nonsense behind "i didn't know your names".

finally, you say "so the implication you made that d1 is superior to d3 is a slight at me or any other coach with a d3 championships. ". well, i have almost as many d3 titles as you, so i guess i slighted myself about as much as i slighted you. so maybe you should get over it?

if you had, you know, won a single game in d1, maybe you would understand why people think d1 is harder. d2/d3 are roughly the same, except that d3 worlds are more depleted and thus today many people feel those worlds' titles are the easiest. no doubt some d3 titles are harder to come by than some d2 titles. but d1 is totally different. if you look at the # of d1 vs d2 vs d3 teams of the top 100 coaches in HD or so, there are dramatically more d1 teams. alblack is reknown for being a great coach who doesn't play d1. who is reknown for being a great coach who only plays d1? nobody, because there are SO many of them. the competition in d1 is simply a lot harder, and until you go play d1, your opinion on that really isn't worth two *****. plus, early entries in d1 make it *dramatically* harder to rattle off multiple titles in d1 than in d2/d3. there is absolutely no question on that by coaches who have a clue. so you are being really defense about something that A) you don't know **** about and that B) you are totally wrong about.

per does only matter for 3's and my resume seems to suggest i know what i'm doing. dead wrong? what a joke. do coaches pick up a 80 perimeter guy for his midrange jumper? lol come on. let me clarify the statement a bit for yah. per rating only matters to 3pt frequency adjustments. you can post a dissenting opinion and i don't have a problem with that. i didn't bite you over that comment, but just saying i was wrong is fine, you took it a step further so take responsibility for your post.

you almost have as many d3 titles as me, almost.

actually i don't have a d1 team, this is true, but i have mentored a lot of coaches with their d1 teams. they come to me asking for my help and of course i'm glad to help. i have game planned for d1 nt tournaments and have gotten coach after coach upsets that they never dreamed of. i am more then confident that my philosphy does work in d1 because i've seen it work.

once again, i've seen plenty of coaches who have had modest success at d3 that jumped to d2 and had more modest success, and finally leaped to d1. i don't think you should move up a level til you mastered the first level, but hey that's me.

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/25/2011 1:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 1/25/2011 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/25/2011 1:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 1/25/2011 1:12:00 PM (view original):
"per does only matter for 3's"

No, it doesn't.  End of story.  You're wrong, and there's no one who agrees with you, including the creator of the engine.  Believing that it doesn't have much effect on two-point jumpers is not the same as having no effect.  It has some effect, that's just a fact.

As for this ridiculousness, D1 is harder than D2/D3. It's not even close, really.  How many battles do you have when you recruit?  Probably none, I'd imagine.  Once you get to be an A+ school, which is basically just one great year, you get the pick of any recruits you want who you can pull down.  How tough is that?  At D1, you're constantly in battles, and getting the guy you want is infinitely more difficult.

Yes, I'm sure the comeback will be that you're better than me.  That's fine, I'm sure you are, but that's irrelevant when we're discussing divisions yuo've never played in.  And you're not better than billy, and it's not even close.

why don't you finish the quote? don't just take a quote without reading the entire post. dumb

btw i took over a d+ prestige d2 school and with a lineup full of sophomores and freshmen i've taken them to the final four of the PIT after less then two full seasons. how yah like me now?

and looking at your resume you should listen to what i say and stop talking about things you don't know anything about.

and i'll finish the quote for you since i don't you think you have the reading skills to get past one sentence. lol i added, "let me clarify the statement a bit for yah. per rating only matters to 3pt frequency adjustments."

I love how I knew exactly what your response would be.  Yeah, I've had minimal success.  Only one NCOY and only a few final fours.  No championships.  I'm not claiming to be a great coach, but I certainly know what the game is about.

As for D2, no, D2 is nothing compared to D1.  It's more fun, that's why I left my D1 program instead of trying to move to a BCS school, but it's not even close to the same.  Until you've played D1, you can't comment on it.  I think that should be pretty obvious.

but you are my argument. you coach at d1 and shouldn't. your not that good of a coach. you haven't mastered d3 or d2, and should go back to the lower levels and learn why you can't get over the hump.

Posted by isack24 on 1/25/2011 1:34:00 PM (view original):
"not to mention your first post that implies my advice on perimeter rating is potentially harmful to coaches is a slight at me"

That's what you said on this page that annoyed me.  If it was a slight at you, then you deserved it.  Instead of continuing to be a dick at that point, you could have just said, "fine, I was wrong."  But yeah, I'm the one looking foolish.

Getting involved at all was foolish, I'll give you that.

Posted by isack24 on 1/25/2011 1:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/25/2011 1:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 1/25/2011 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/25/2011 1:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 1/25/2011 1:12:00 PM (view original):
"per does only matter for 3's"

No, it doesn't.  End of story.  You're wrong, and there's no one who agrees with you, including the creator of the engine.  Believing that it doesn't have much effect on two-point jumpers is not the same as having no effect.  It has some effect, that's just a fact.

As for this ridiculousness, D1 is harder than D2/D3. It's not even close, really.  How many battles do you have when you recruit?  Probably none, I'd imagine.  Once you get to be an A+ school, which is basically just one great year, you get the pick of any recruits you want who you can pull down.  How tough is that?  At D1, you're constantly in battles, and getting the guy you want is infinitely more difficult.

Yes, I'm sure the comeback will be that you're better than me.  That's fine, I'm sure you are, but that's irrelevant when we're discussing divisions yuo've never played in.  And you're not better than billy, and it's not even close.

why don't you finish the quote? don't just take a quote without reading the entire post. dumb

btw i took over a d+ prestige d2 school and with a lineup full of sophomores and freshmen i've taken them to the final four of the PIT after less then two full seasons. how yah like me now?

and looking at your resume you should listen to what i say and stop talking about things you don't know anything about.

and i'll finish the quote for you since i don't you think you have the reading skills to get past one sentence. lol i added, "let me clarify the statement a bit for yah. per rating only matters to 3pt frequency adjustments."

I love how I knew exactly what your response would be.  Yeah, I've had minimal success.  Only one NCOY and only a few final fours.  No championships.  I'm not claiming to be a great coach, but I certainly know what the game is about.

As for D2, no, D2 is nothing compared to D1.  It's more fun, that's why I left my D1 program instead of trying to move to a BCS school, but it's not even close to the same.  Until you've played D1, you can't comment on it.  I think that should be pretty obvious.

but you are my argument. you coach at d1 and shouldn't. your not that good of a coach. you haven't mastered d3 or d2, and should go back to the lower levels and learn why you can't get over the hump.

I don't coach at D1 at this point.  I didn't think it was fun.  But, in my first year with all of my own players in D1, I took a mid-major D+ prestige school to the second round of the tourney and had two players in my first class drafted.  I'm not elite, not a "master," but I doubt anyone would classify me as "not that good of a coach."  I have turned every program I've ever had (four) at D2/D3 into an A+ program.

Regardless, your argument is idiotic.  It's like me dominating minor league baseball and saying that the Majors are easy.  Yeah, I might be great there, but I don't know until I try, and saying it makes me look ridiculous.

Wow, you're an idiot.  The discussion isn't about me; it's about you.  You claim D1 is easy.  Shockingly obtuse.

Posted by wronoj on 1/25/2011 1:41:00 PM (view original):
i'll argue the second, clarified, portion of your quote, too: PER matters for jumpers, not just three pointers, and not only for how I set 3-point settings. Do you recruit PFs with no PER and expect them to shoot as well from the field (even at -2) as guys with 40-50 PER? 

or is that just a D1 issue? 

Posted by isack24 on 1/25/2011 1:41:00 PM (view original):

Wow, you're an idiot.  The discussion isn't about me; it's about you.  You claim D1 is easy.  Shockingly obtuse.

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/25/2011 1:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 1/25/2011 1:41:00 PM (view original):

Wow, you're an idiot.  The discussion isn't about me; it's about you.  You claim D1 is easy.  Shockingly obtuse.

ok buddy. the claim is d1 isn't any better then d3, get it right hot shot. lol...........your reading skills are as bad as the tiany troll.

Posted by tkimble on 1/25/2011 2:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/25/2011 1:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 1/25/2011 1:41:00 PM (view original):

Wow, you're an idiot.  The discussion isn't about me; it's about you.  You claim D1 is easy.  Shockingly obtuse.

ok buddy. the claim is d1 isn't any better then d3, get it right hot shot. lol...........your reading skills are as bad as the tiany troll.

Why do you think d1 is just as easy to win at as d3?  Personally, I just started playing d1 and it is much tougher to win than in d3.

Posted by tkimble on 1/25/2011 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Would you mind re-stating it for me?  I don't especially want to go through the previous 6 pages to find it.

Posted by zooeydog on 1/25/2011 12:26:00 PM (view original):
FWIW, I've been flummoxed by the inconsistency of my teams over the several seasons I've played, and Skunk has given me some pointers that have borne some pretty good early fruit. I don't consider myself nearly expert or advanced enough to weigh in on the level that you guys are debating, but as far as I'm concerned, Skunk has some very interesting ideas that may line up pretty well with how player ratings translate into good performance in the HD engine.