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if you can't take the heat - get out of the kitchen.

You are a high prestige big 6 coach - you either perform or get fired. There is no guarantee those coaches who flop one season will get those coveted top recruits the next season when their prestige falls.

and yes - its frustrating. on a brighter note.... at least big name schools are opening up for jobs.

I haven't really seen this.  Besides, if you do the work, you can find some good role players, worthy of a scholarship.

Recruit generation was made worse, but it's nowhere near this bad.

Posted by moy23 on 1/27/2011 9:47:00 AM (view original):
if you can't take the heat - get out of the kitchen.

You are a high prestige big 6 coach - you either perform or get fired. There is no guarantee those coaches who flop one season will get those coveted top recruits the next season when their prestige falls.

and yes - its frustrating. on a brighter note.... at least big name schools are opening up for jobs.

Total a-hole response.  It's not a complaint about my ability to take the heat, jackass.  Its a comment on the overall competitive landscape and the enjoyment of the game.  I'm fairly confident that the ACC in Allen wasn't thrilled to have Wake go ghost ship and turn in an 0-27 season.

Or choice 3: recognizing that you can no longer have unbelievably awesome players at every roster spot every year forever, and learning to recruit accordingly.  Signing a defensive specialist.  A scorer off the bench.  Crafting a team that can win, rather than filling the shelves with 95/95/95/95 guys every year and flipping a coin with 50 other teams.

Does the RL coach at Wake lose interest and stop showing up to work?  No -- he finds the best strategy in a world where UNC and Duke get the best players, and tries his best.  People losing interest and leaving is their prerogative.  But if the only way to keep people is to promise them they don't have to be a very good coach to win a NC -- is that the game we want to be playing?  

Wow -- 3 responses before I could type mine in.  But cheeznsweet -- moy's not talking about you, he's talking about the quitters, and he's right: perform or get fired, just like in every other competitive venture in life.  

I don't think the "overall competitive landscape of the game" is improved by promising everyone they can win a NC just by showing up.

Posted by cheeznsweet on 1/27/2011 9:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 1/27/2011 9:47:00 AM (view original):
if you can't take the heat - get out of the kitchen.

You are a high prestige big 6 coach - you either perform or get fired. There is no guarantee those coaches who flop one season will get those coveted top recruits the next season when their prestige falls.

and yes - its frustrating. on a brighter note.... at least big name schools are opening up for jobs.

Total a-hole response.  It's not a complaint about my ability to take the heat, jackass.  Its a comment on the overall competitive landscape and the enjoyment of the game.  I'm fairly confident that the ACC in Allen wasn't thrilled to have Wake go ghost ship and turn in an 0-27 season.

lol. I had a season where U of I **** the bed recruiting because I was aiming too high overall with the new recruit generation. I won maybe 7 games that season and dropped in prestige for the next. Since then I've adjusted my recruiting approach and I'd say I've been quite successful.

I see the point.  There are definitely a lot more 3-4 walkon teams out there, at least in Iba.  I don't think the answer is that we need more blue chips, but more high potential players in the 500 to low 600 range would work.  

Georgia Tech in Allen had 5 openings, $120k+ and a A presitge and didn't go beyond 200 miles and might end up with 5 walkons.  He got jumped by a couple A-/A schools for big name recruits.  Not really his fault. 

It is making it tougher at the top as well.  More battles for the top 10 guys since they are so good vs. the #25 guy now. 

And that, IMHO, levels the playing field some.  There's been a lot of complaining that no one can succeed if they're not an A-rated BCS team.  But now we hear even the A-rated BCS teams can't succeed.

Maybe the trick, as moy said, is adjusting one's recruiting approach.  After all -- someone out there is going to succeed.

I'm siding with jeff and moy, I don't have a ton of D I exp yet, but I always did think it was kinda bs that the big teams all had 10 guys that were 99 everything...how is that fun?

Posted by moy23 on 1/27/2011 9:47:00 AM (view original):
if you can't take the heat - get out of the kitchen.

You are a high prestige big 6 coach - you either perform or get fired. There is no guarantee those coaches who flop one season will get those coveted top recruits the next season when their prestige falls.

and yes - its frustrating. on a brighter note.... at least big name schools are opening up for jobs.

I agree, moy ... except for the small detail that no one gets fired.

If there were real repercussions (and I don't mean just fewer wins for a season), this would be legit. But right now there isn't.

Posted by jeffdrayer on 1/27/2011 9:52:00 AM (view original):
Or choice 3: recognizing that you can no longer have unbelievably awesome players at every roster spot every year forever, and learning to recruit accordingly.  Signing a defensive specialist.  A scorer off the bench.  Crafting a team that can win, rather than filling the shelves with 95/95/95/95 guys every year and flipping a coin with 50 other teams.

Does the RL coach at Wake lose interest and stop showing up to work?  No -- he finds the best strategy in a world where UNC and Duke get the best players, and tries his best.  People losing interest and leaving is their prerogative.  But if the only way to keep people is to promise them they don't have to be a very good coach to win a NC -- is that the game we want to be playing?  

jeff ... agreed with this. But until there are lasting repercussions for swinging wildly for the fences and taking tons of walk-ons, plenty of coaches won't honor this as a respectable option.

IMHO, the solution would be that you don't get full scholarship money the next season for anything over two walk-ons (or maybe none at all). That would be a tangible way to force people to make actual strategic decisions vs. blindly flailing around and swinging for the fences w. out any real fear of negative consequences.

Posted by girt25 on 1/27/2011 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 1/27/2011 9:47:00 AM (view original):
if you can't take the heat - get out of the kitchen.

You are a high prestige big 6 coach - you either perform or get fired. There is no guarantee those coaches who flop one season will get those coveted top recruits the next season when their prestige falls.

and yes - its frustrating. on a brighter note.... at least big name schools are opening up for jobs.

I agree, moy ... except for the small detail that no one gets fired.

If there were real repercussions (and I don't mean just fewer wins for a season), this would be legit. But right now there isn't.

true about the firings daalt. They are there but are pretty lax imo.

none the less - the OP said these coaches are losing interest in HD (which I assume means 'quitting').... thus it's back to "if you can't take the heat...."