Not to be unsympathetic, but that's not an entirely unlikely scenario...

I can't believe people are hating on a little bragging. How in the world can this game be any fun without competition?

Also, LOL to people comparing their $tats. You serious? Dennis had the third highest usage on my team, he was my third option! That other guy is a PPG-WARRIOR !

It's also silly that people are using stats as a way to compare players, when that's really irrelevant. It's all about usage, and in this case reinsel's big man has a much higher usage, he also played 4 more minutes per game in a fastbreak uptempo offense. So just based off that I think it's easy to assume that reinsel's team would play at least 12 more possesions per game than Jones'. Also there is no way that game would be even competitive, you have 5 guys with below 30 defense while Jones only has 3 guys below 50 defense and also has a much more athletic team.  

UWEC (reinsel) vs Westminster (aejones) in terms of minutes-weighted averages in ratings:

ATH       SPD       REB       DE       BLK       LP       PE       BH       P       ST       FBIQ       ZIQ
(17.9)     0.3         7.7       (21.0)     4.3      13.0     (1.9)     5.6   13.7    (3.2)    -1.7%    -0.7%

It'd be close - depending on how much you value ATH and DE, I guess.  Personally, I'd bet on reinsel here.


But the real point is that reinsel's team only made it to the Final Four, and his loss wasn't necessarily an upset. Jones, if you're that closely matched with a team that's not even clearly the best in its world, then you're really, really stretching to say that you have the best DIII team ever.  Plus, frankly, the competition in Phelan just isn't the same as it is in the older worlds.

that is an awesome team jonesy. i think the rpi is a bit misleading though, the record of your opponents is crazy good - and thus your sos/rpi unquestionably overstates your opponents. in your defense, you did play a lot of top 10 teams. but i really doubt its the best season i've seen in d3... even though it is a fantastic one.

i like the balance of your team - probably better than your sw baptist team. actually its probably my favorite team of all the ones you've built. very nicely done. i think narcotico's greensboro team from a couple seasons ago would have had the edge head-to-head, but at that level of talented, i feel like its largely splitting hairs because the luck of recruit generation could easily justify the gap.

Posted by cornfused on 2/1/2011 3:03:00 AM (view original):
UWEC (reinsel) vs Westminster (aejones) in terms of minutes-weighted averages in ratings:

ATH       SPD       REB       DE       BLK       LP       PE       BH       P       ST       FBIQ       ZIQ
(17.9)     0.3         7.7       (21.0)     4.3      13.0     (1.9)     5.6   13.7    (3.2)    -1.7%    -0.7%

It'd be close - depending on how much you value ATH and DE, I guess.  Personally, I'd bet on reinsel here.


But the real point is that reinsel's team only made it to the Final Four, and his loss wasn't necessarily an upset. Jones, if you're that closely matched with a team that's not even clearly the best in its world, then you're really, really stretching to say that you have the best DIII team ever.  Plus, frankly, the competition in Phelan just isn't the same as it is in the older worlds.

point number 1, since i am fresh off to back to back titles in the two seasons that have just completed, i think i have the authority to say that athleticism and defense are the two most important rating categories. because of that, and the fact that i play m2m, i think dennis is a slam dunk here. but whatever, po-tae-toe, po-tah-toe.

im not sure what you're saying in the second part, but even if phelan isn't that competitive, i didn't really have any close games in the entire tournament. without going back and looking at it, i recall having 2-3 close games the entire year, i think the closest was a battle in the nonconference on the road.

Posted by kmasonbx on 2/1/2011 1:53:00 AM (view original):
Some people have been trained to believe if you brag about your own accomplishments it's some kind of dick thing to do. I think that line of thinking is retarded because if you aren't allowed to be proud of your own accomplishments AND show that you are proud of them then what's the point of having goals?

So, according to you, humility is retarded. You know what I think is retarded?...Bragging about video game accomplishments. If they are worthy, others will take note and recognize them for you.

Posted by emy1013 on 2/1/2011 12:39:00 AM (view original):
This is like watching a bunch of guys arguing about whose Special Olympics gold medal is the shiniest.........

How did this gem go unrecognized?  Bravo.  Agreed.

Posted by isack24 on 1/31/2011 10:51:00 AM (view original):
That is not the best D3 team in the new engine.  Thomas in Wooden a couple of years ago would have beat that team by double digits.

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=3898

That was back before the exodus.  Adambrag was throttling a lot of great coaches back then (I don't think he won an NT game by less than 10 points in season 46).

i know he had some beast players, but we cant really compare rosters. . .

but what i can say with certainty is . . . .  Thomas had the greatest "season" ever in season 46.  30 of the 35 games were against top 25 teams.  he played in the toughest conference in the toughest world and ran the table.  thats just amazing. 

Jones, those minutes-weighted averages were for the teams, not Dennis v Perry.

Also, I'd like to note that oldresorter and gillispie have now both disagreed with you.

Posted by mrpolo09 on 2/1/2011 11:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 1/31/2011 10:51:00 AM (view original):
That is not the best D3 team in the new engine.  Thomas in Wooden a couple of years ago would have beat that team by double digits.

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=3898

That was back before the exodus.  Adambrag was throttling a lot of great coaches back then (I don't think he won an NT game by less than 10 points in season 46).

i know he had some beast players, but we cant really compare rosters. . .

but what i can say with certainty is . . . .  Thomas had the greatest "season" ever in season 46.  30 of the 35 games were against top 25 teams.  he played in the toughest conference in the toughest world and ran the table.  thats just amazing. 

I know, I'm simply going off of memory.  I remember trying to gameplan against him in the FF and thinking, "good lord, I haev no chance to win this game."

Posted by mottnj on 2/1/2011 9:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by kmasonbx on 2/1/2011 1:53:00 AM (view original):
Some people have been trained to believe if you brag about your own accomplishments it's some kind of dick thing to do. I think that line of thinking is retarded because if you aren't allowed to be proud of your own accomplishments AND show that you are proud of them then what's the point of having goals?

So, according to you, humility is retarded. You know what I think is retarded?...Bragging about video game accomplishments. If they are worthy, others will take note and recognize them for you.

It's retarded to assume that anybody who isn't humble is a dick. We pay to play this game, we play this game because we enjoy it and because we want to do well at it, what's wrong with bragging about it to the people who are also playing the game? It's not like Jones is over here bragging about how good of an HD team he put together to a real basketball coach, he's saying to people who are trying to accomplish the smae thing. On top of that he's not being a dick about it and saying "I'm a better coach than you, so you can't disagree with me" all he's doing is being proud of a team he put together. Is it really wrong to be proud of something you accomplished? 

Posted by isack24 on 2/1/2011 12:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrpolo09 on 2/1/2011 11:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 1/31/2011 10:51:00 AM (view original):
That is not the best D3 team in the new engine.  Thomas in Wooden a couple of years ago would have beat that team by double digits.

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=3898

That was back before the exodus.  Adambrag was throttling a lot of great coaches back then (I don't think he won an NT game by less than 10 points in season 46).

i know he had some beast players, but we cant really compare rosters. . .

but what i can say with certainty is . . . .  Thomas had the greatest "season" ever in season 46.  30 of the 35 games were against top 25 teams.  he played in the toughest conference in the toughest world and ran the table.  thats just amazing. 

I know, I'm simply going off of memory.  I remember trying to gameplan against him in the FF and thinking, "good lord, I haev no chance to win this game."

He won 4 NC in 6 seasons, with 2 elite 8s squeeze in between. This means he pretty much had the best FR, SO, JR, and SR class in that world for consecutive seasons in order to pull it off. Otherwise, he would have been something like NC/2nd round/sweet 16/etc. Would love to see what that team looked like though. 

Posted by cornfused on 2/1/2011 3:03:00 AM (view original):
UWEC (reinsel) vs Westminster (aejones) in terms of minutes-weighted averages in ratings:

ATH       SPD       REB       DE       BLK       LP       PE       BH       P       ST       FBIQ       ZIQ
(17.9)     0.3         7.7       (21.0)     4.3      13.0     (1.9)     5.6   13.7    (3.2)    -1.7%    -0.7%

It'd be close - depending on how much you value ATH and DE, I guess.  Personally, I'd bet on reinsel here.


But the real point is that reinsel's team only made it to the Final Four, and his loss wasn't necessarily an upset. Jones, if you're that closely matched with a team that's not even clearly the best in its world, then you're really, really stretching to say that you have the best DIII team ever.  Plus, frankly, the competition in Phelan just isn't the same as it is in the older worlds.

It's really not close at all, look at some of the teams Jones beat along the way, they are better than Reinsel's team, take for example E. Conn. St., I thought they would give Jones a really tight game instead Jones won by 11. Like Jones said ath/D are king in this engine and Jones has absolutely enormous edges in both. Overall team LP is also irrelevant, you can have a team LP rating of 40 and every single player have 40 LP so nobody is a real LP threat while another team has 2 99 LP and everybody else is 1 so his team LP would be 17 but clearly you'd be more worried about defending the paint against the 2 99 guys. The huge ath gap will pretty much erase the reb gap so that really doesn't matter. The BH/P is definitely important due to turnovers so that can't be ignored.

Here's that E. Conn. St. team I referred to http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=14473